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<blockquote data-quote="rotorhead" data-source="post: 2562539" data-attributes="member: 5078"><p>lenny & Alib. I agree the 270 is a fine rifle and I have had many people ask me what one gun would be best. The old argument of 30-06 or 270 always seams to come up. But for elk and down 270 and elk and bigger in grizzly country 30-06. I really prefer the 270 and will pick it over the 30-06 nearly every time. So you might ask, the doner gun is a 270 and it shoots and groups about .7-.8 MOA which is just fine for hunting. So why not just AI the chamber and run with it? When I built the 6.5-06 I tossed around the 270 or 270AI but at the time the choice of bullets in 27 where limited and I liked the 26 for is high BC. It seams the rest of the world caught up to how I think. The 26 shoots the same weight bullets as the 27 but carries much farther and just silly accurate. My 26 at your typical 100yrd just shoots one hole all day long. So now I have this Sako in 270 and I'm looking for a lighter but not too light big brother to the 26. My first thought was a 7 mag. It is a very good all around hunter for this side of the world, hints the tikka doner but the 280AI gets so close and uses a cartridge so common and familiar to me it just makes sense to me. Plus save a little recoil just adds another feather.</p><p> If I were to keep the Tikka I am pretty sure I would make it a 30-338/ 308Norma. To get the BC to an acceptable level the 30 cal needs to be over 200grn. That is the reason I do not want to build a 30. More recoil and cost for my needs. As stated before, I have shot and owned many of these hard hitters warbirds, RUMs Lapua Norma mags etc. I can shoot 1000/1200 and group effectively at those distance but that Kind of power comes at a heavy cost not only money but in gun weight and recoil. I shot very well at distance and I have had many fellas tell me I should compete, it seams that once I got competent at it, it satisfied me. I wanted to shoot well for my Dad who was the best shooter I have ever known. I would rather spend my time hunting.</p><p>To bracket in the gun weight and recoil I desire this leaves my effective range about 600. You can pull the trigger a 1000yards from an elk and he can take a step before it gets to him. This equals a bad hit. To close this gap you need speed and the weight to have an acceptable clean kill. No, I'm not necessarily against hunting at this distance but this means you need to have heavy hitter as I call them. I am now paying for all those hard playing days and the hardest recoiler I care to shoot is my O/U 12 ga on ducks. That one pops me hard enough and no I dont shoot the super duper 3-1/2 mag. I call the ducks all the way in and smack them with the good ole 2-3/4.</p><p>I have the confidence to shoot out to 600 small groups without issue and and with the -06 family this is reasonable distance but I greatly prefer 3-400 if possible. </p><p>So as long as this has gotten; I like the -06 family and I feel its a good performer in a reasonable weight rifle. I could just build a lighter 6.5 and I have all the confidence in the world to take an elk but why, I have one! The 280AI gives me the 160-175 range and the speed I want in a great doner rifle with a long magazine. I will try to get it to match the 7RM but we will have to see how that goes. If it doesnt quiet get there ole well still a solid hunting rifle. Oh yea a 26inh barrel doesn't bother me a bit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rotorhead, post: 2562539, member: 5078"] lenny & Alib. I agree the 270 is a fine rifle and I have had many people ask me what one gun would be best. The old argument of 30-06 or 270 always seams to come up. But for elk and down 270 and elk and bigger in grizzly country 30-06. I really prefer the 270 and will pick it over the 30-06 nearly every time. So you might ask, the doner gun is a 270 and it shoots and groups about .7-.8 MOA which is just fine for hunting. So why not just AI the chamber and run with it? When I built the 6.5-06 I tossed around the 270 or 270AI but at the time the choice of bullets in 27 where limited and I liked the 26 for is high BC. It seams the rest of the world caught up to how I think. The 26 shoots the same weight bullets as the 27 but carries much farther and just silly accurate. My 26 at your typical 100yrd just shoots one hole all day long. So now I have this Sako in 270 and I'm looking for a lighter but not too light big brother to the 26. My first thought was a 7 mag. It is a very good all around hunter for this side of the world, hints the tikka doner but the 280AI gets so close and uses a cartridge so common and familiar to me it just makes sense to me. Plus save a little recoil just adds another feather. If I were to keep the Tikka I am pretty sure I would make it a 30-338/ 308Norma. To get the BC to an acceptable level the 30 cal needs to be over 200grn. That is the reason I do not want to build a 30. More recoil and cost for my needs. As stated before, I have shot and owned many of these hard hitters warbirds, RUMs Lapua Norma mags etc. I can shoot 1000/1200 and group effectively at those distance but that Kind of power comes at a heavy cost not only money but in gun weight and recoil. I shot very well at distance and I have had many fellas tell me I should compete, it seams that once I got competent at it, it satisfied me. I wanted to shoot well for my Dad who was the best shooter I have ever known. I would rather spend my time hunting. To bracket in the gun weight and recoil I desire this leaves my effective range about 600. You can pull the trigger a 1000yards from an elk and he can take a step before it gets to him. This equals a bad hit. To close this gap you need speed and the weight to have an acceptable clean kill. No, I'm not necessarily against hunting at this distance but this means you need to have heavy hitter as I call them. I am now paying for all those hard playing days and the hardest recoiler I care to shoot is my O/U 12 ga on ducks. That one pops me hard enough and no I dont shoot the super duper 3-1/2 mag. I call the ducks all the way in and smack them with the good ole 2-3/4. I have the confidence to shoot out to 600 small groups without issue and and with the -06 family this is reasonable distance but I greatly prefer 3-400 if possible. So as long as this has gotten; I like the -06 family and I feel its a good performer in a reasonable weight rifle. I could just build a lighter 6.5 and I have all the confidence in the world to take an elk but why, I have one! The 280AI gives me the 160-175 range and the speed I want in a great doner rifle with a long magazine. I will try to get it to match the 7RM but we will have to see how that goes. If it doesnt quiet get there ole well still a solid hunting rifle. Oh yea a 26inh barrel doesn't bother me a bit. [/QUOTE]
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