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Looking for the numbers - gun movement translating to accuracy on the target
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<blockquote data-quote="rem.xp100" data-source="post: 381538" data-attributes="member: 4164"><p>groper - that's pretty much what I needed. Maybe an explanation as to what I want the information for would have helped the responses.</p><p></p><p>I am getting frustrated talking to shooting friends about guns and group sizes: i.e. friend "x" who is fairly new to rifles (not guns but rifles) works on a load and goes to the range and shoots his first ever 1/2 inch group with a gun I built for him (light barreled hunting rig in 300WSM). Off the bench with a bi-pod. Great - happy as a ....</p><p></p><p>Now back to the range another day and he shoots over an inch - my phone rings with "what do you think could be wrong with the gun? It's shooting all over the place."</p><p></p><p>Well he's a very good friend so it's hard to just throw out there that perhaps the fact that you have only ever shot one 1/2 inch group in your life might make you think it is operator error </p><p></p><p>SOOOO, I hint about things like "do you realize how little it takes to open up a group from a half to one inch? How tiny the movement really is? Or the fact that you shot the good group on a calm day and this on a windy day which can open it up that much. The fact that bi-pods can react differently when on different surfaces like a wood bench versus concrete - or you can torque the legs while positioning and then they "jump" when you shoot. Or maybe the original group you shot being only 3 rounds was actually a fluke - should have shot 5 rounds at least. Or your loads aren't that consistent. And on and on...ect. ect. ect....</p><p></p><p>Just looking for a pleasant way to let him know it usually isn't the gun at that point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rem.xp100, post: 381538, member: 4164"] groper - that's pretty much what I needed. Maybe an explanation as to what I want the information for would have helped the responses. I am getting frustrated talking to shooting friends about guns and group sizes: i.e. friend "x" who is fairly new to rifles (not guns but rifles) works on a load and goes to the range and shoots his first ever 1/2 inch group with a gun I built for him (light barreled hunting rig in 300WSM). Off the bench with a bi-pod. Great - happy as a .... Now back to the range another day and he shoots over an inch - my phone rings with "what do you think could be wrong with the gun? It's shooting all over the place." Well he's a very good friend so it's hard to just throw out there that perhaps the fact that you have only ever shot one 1/2 inch group in your life might make you think it is operator error SOOOO, I hint about things like "do you realize how little it takes to open up a group from a half to one inch? How tiny the movement really is? Or the fact that you shot the good group on a calm day and this on a windy day which can open it up that much. The fact that bi-pods can react differently when on different surfaces like a wood bench versus concrete - or you can torque the legs while positioning and then they "jump" when you shoot. Or maybe the original group you shot being only 3 rounds was actually a fluke - should have shot 5 rounds at least. Or your loads aren't that consistent. And on and on...ect. ect. ect.... Just looking for a pleasant way to let him know it usually isn't the gun at that point. [/QUOTE]
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