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<blockquote data-quote="boomtube" data-source="post: 693104" data-attributes="member: 9215"><p>Most reloaders put far more emphesis on presses than can be justified, Ammo is made in the dies; all a press does is push the cases in and draw them back out. A 'tight' press is no indication of 'quality'. The Co-Ax holds the dies loosely in a slot and its universal shell holder certainly isn't rigid or well aligned but good ammo can be made. BR shooters generally use arbor presses that don't even connect to their excellant unthreaded "hand" dies. Meaning that loosely held dies and cases will self align if allowed to do so. All a 'tight' press can do is force things together even if the alignment isn't perfect. </p><p> </p><p>Brand, model or cost of a press makes little or no difference to the finished product. Press ergonomics matters a lot to users tho. Different users need to find the press work angle they prefer. Some like the Co-Ax's lever coming straight out but some of us - probably most of us - don't like that work angle at all. Nor do we like the long lever throw. But, whatever we like doesn't matter to the ammo that can be turned out, I have five presses of different brands/models that I've proven will make identical ammo when using the same dies, components and methods; one of those presses is a tiny Lee aluminum alloy "C" press I bought for depriming just to protect my RC from primer grit and stop the RC from tossing half of the spent primers on the floor. Loading skill is the only real accuracy limiting factor, not how much our tools cost. A good loader can do good work on virtually any press, a dufus can't do very well no matter what press he uses. IMHO.</p><p> </p><p>The only presses I've ever seen that transfer heavy torque to the loading bench are the old simple toggle lever designs but no maker I know of has produced one of them in what, maybe 40 years? They all have the much superior compound toggle design now and while I can't FL size .300 mag cases with one finger in my RC (or anything else) but it sure doesn't take a lot of arm strength to do it. ??</p><p> </p><p>I've been doing this too long to have mindless loyalty to or predjuice against inanimate objects or brands - I know what I'm doing and I buy what works the way I want it to. My Rock Chucker 2 is some 25 years old and in perfect condition but if Lee's Classic Cast had been available at that time I would have gotten it instead; it's the better press in every way. I've been doing this a very long time and have never seen any press of any design or maker that has honestly been 'worn' out by use but I've seen several that were ruined by neglict and abuse.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="boomtube, post: 693104, member: 9215"] Most reloaders put far more emphesis on presses than can be justified, Ammo is made in the dies; all a press does is push the cases in and draw them back out. A 'tight' press is no indication of 'quality'. The Co-Ax holds the dies loosely in a slot and its universal shell holder certainly isn't rigid or well aligned but good ammo can be made. BR shooters generally use arbor presses that don't even connect to their excellant unthreaded "hand" dies. Meaning that loosely held dies and cases will self align if allowed to do so. All a 'tight' press can do is force things together even if the alignment isn't perfect. Brand, model or cost of a press makes little or no difference to the finished product. Press ergonomics matters a lot to users tho. Different users need to find the press work angle they prefer. Some like the Co-Ax's lever coming straight out but some of us - probably most of us - don't like that work angle at all. Nor do we like the long lever throw. But, whatever we like doesn't matter to the ammo that can be turned out, I have five presses of different brands/models that I've proven will make identical ammo when using the same dies, components and methods; one of those presses is a tiny Lee aluminum alloy "C" press I bought for depriming just to protect my RC from primer grit and stop the RC from tossing half of the spent primers on the floor. Loading skill is the only real accuracy limiting factor, not how much our tools cost. A good loader can do good work on virtually any press, a dufus can't do very well no matter what press he uses. IMHO. The only presses I've ever seen that transfer heavy torque to the loading bench are the old simple toggle lever designs but no maker I know of has produced one of them in what, maybe 40 years? They all have the much superior compound toggle design now and while I can't FL size .300 mag cases with one finger in my RC (or anything else) but it sure doesn't take a lot of arm strength to do it. ?? I've been doing this too long to have mindless loyalty to or predjuice against inanimate objects or brands - I know what I'm doing and I buy what works the way I want it to. My Rock Chucker 2 is some 25 years old and in perfect condition but if Lee's Classic Cast had been available at that time I would have gotten it instead; it's the better press in every way. I've been doing this a very long time and have never seen any press of any design or maker that has honestly been 'worn' out by use but I've seen several that were ruined by neglict and abuse. [/QUOTE]
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