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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 862460" data-attributes="member: 10"><p><span style="color: blue">No matter how we interpret our own delivery and communications, the feedback from the recipient of our communications is equally telling. I think it's clear that stenger felt accused, criticized, blamed, and verbally abused, after communicating the result his buddy experienced using one of the Berger bullets on a bull moose, and then asking for advice and recommendations on bullet selection for use on really large animals.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">I'm surprised that stenger didn't lose it and respond in a much more aggressive, and defensive, manner.</span></p></blockquote><p></p><p> </p><p>I would agree that there have been some replies on both sides that really have taken this from discussion to a more of an offensive and defensive tone. That is to bad because I think there was a lot to learn from this topic but it DID go in a bad direction.</p><p> </p><p>I can not speak for others, I have read my posts and I can see where some of them could have been taken as attacks on him, ESPECIALLY when reading those with some of the other posts. My intention was never to accuse or blame of anything negative toward Stenger but I can certainly see where my posts may have been taken that way with the context of how the rest of the thread was going. Again, if that was how they were taken, I want to apologize in public to him as that was not my intention.</p><p> </p><p>Nor was I attacking you in any way either. </p><p> </p><p>My main issue with this entire post is that when we get down to the brass tacks, we pretty much all agree on the basis of this post. I think tempers got flamed, mostly misunderstandings at least on my part and again, that was not my intention or desire.</p><p> </p><p>That said, I still stand by the basis of any comments I offered to Stenger as far as what he saw with this bullet. I have made bad bullet choices, I am sure there is not person that has posted on this topic that has not done the same. He did nothing that any of us have likely done the same but when things are posted on a public forum, it can cause some heat to rise and its EASY to read more into comments then was intended and when that happens, once side will fire back and then the other side returns fire and all hell breaks loose which is unfortunate.</p><p> </p><p>Again, its easy to read more into web postings then what was intended. </p><p> </p><p>I tend to be blunt with my comments. Try not to be rude but I am usually pretty blunt and I can see where that can be taken in an unintended way especially when someone is getting a lot of rebuttals to their posts.</p><p> </p><p>This was my main comment about the post with my latest replies. I was surprised it was still going on simply because there is not a lot more we can add or take from the topic except hurting feelings and getting mad which is about what has happened on both sides. That is to bad.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 862460, member: 10"] [COLOR=blue]No matter how we interpret our own delivery and communications, the feedback from the recipient of our communications is equally telling. I think it's clear that stenger felt accused, criticized, blamed, and verbally abused, after communicating the result his buddy experienced using one of the Berger bullets on a bull moose, and then asking for advice and recommendations on bullet selection for use on really large animals.[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue] [/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]I'm surprised that stenger didn't lose it and respond in a much more aggressive, and defensive, manner.[/QUOTE][/COLOR] I would agree that there have been some replies on both sides that really have taken this from discussion to a more of an offensive and defensive tone. That is to bad because I think there was a lot to learn from this topic but it DID go in a bad direction. I can not speak for others, I have read my posts and I can see where some of them could have been taken as attacks on him, ESPECIALLY when reading those with some of the other posts. My intention was never to accuse or blame of anything negative toward Stenger but I can certainly see where my posts may have been taken that way with the context of how the rest of the thread was going. Again, if that was how they were taken, I want to apologize in public to him as that was not my intention. Nor was I attacking you in any way either. My main issue with this entire post is that when we get down to the brass tacks, we pretty much all agree on the basis of this post. I think tempers got flamed, mostly misunderstandings at least on my part and again, that was not my intention or desire. That said, I still stand by the basis of any comments I offered to Stenger as far as what he saw with this bullet. I have made bad bullet choices, I am sure there is not person that has posted on this topic that has not done the same. He did nothing that any of us have likely done the same but when things are posted on a public forum, it can cause some heat to rise and its EASY to read more into comments then was intended and when that happens, once side will fire back and then the other side returns fire and all hell breaks loose which is unfortunate. Again, its easy to read more into web postings then what was intended. I tend to be blunt with my comments. Try not to be rude but I am usually pretty blunt and I can see where that can be taken in an unintended way especially when someone is getting a lot of rebuttals to their posts. This was my main comment about the post with my latest replies. I was surprised it was still going on simply because there is not a lot more we can add or take from the topic except hurting feelings and getting mad which is about what has happened on both sides. That is to bad. [/QUOTE]
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