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<blockquote data-quote="Brewer" data-source="post: 907135" data-attributes="member: 71923"><p>So I am a big night force fan so my opinions are going to be biased. when you buy a scope, you start at $100 and get lousy glass and lousy mechanism (repeatability and shot dialing). so then you move to the $250 range and you get some acceptable glass and you will hold zero if you don't move it too much. then you go to $500 and you get some decient glass and you can start dialing and actually not have to fiddle with the dials too much and hit where you aim. go to $750 or $1000 and the glass gets better again and you start getting pretty good (lifetime) repeatability with your dials and absolute zero hold. goto $1500-2000 and you get just about the best glass and lots of it (56MM), (in my opinion what you need for 1000 yards) great repeatability with dials, and you probably get an illuminated reticle which is nice. go higher and you are getting better glass, the guts don't get much better than what Ziess, steiner and Nightforce as well as the other big guys. when you buy a scope that's less than the $1000 mark, in my opinion, its like pulling a big load with a small underpowered truck. you can do it, and it will work for a time (2000 rounds) but after you drive a truck with 625HP, you will never go back, never. the longest confirmed kill in the world was made with a Nightforce scope. even for my .22's I but scopes that cost $350. I don't have a bunch of cash sitting around, I have to save for them, but I do save for them. </p><p> </p><p>I would build my own rifle, not one that is already built. that way you are paying only for what you want. I have heard several reputable gunsmiths say that the Remington 700 action is the best factory action to buy because of how it is built. you can have a good smith put a bare bones ported bull barrel on it for $750. you can get a nice aftermarket heavy stock with aluminum bedding block for$400. out a jewel trigger on it and you have yourself a less than 1/2MOA 1500 yard gun that will be better than you are for at least the first 1000 rounds. add a Nightforce and you have everything you need. </p><p> </p><p>Some gun makers charge more because people will pay it. some charge more because they make good guns. you have to do the research and find out. a good smith doesn't need to guarantee anything, his reputation preceded him and if he makes something that is substandard, he will absolutely replace it for free. </p><p> </p><p>if you want to do something on the cheap, go with a Remington 700 in that 6.5 Creedmoor or the 260, and put a Nikon Monarch on it for $500. get a trigger spring kit from brownells for $20 and you are going to be good for 600 yards. and you could probably kill deer out to 750 yards if you get really good. this gets you in for a little more than $1000. I have used a setup like this to kill Whitetail deer at 500 yards. you will need a range finder too if you plan to do any real long-range hunting. Bushnell makes a good enough one for reasonable money. Good luck.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brewer, post: 907135, member: 71923"] So I am a big night force fan so my opinions are going to be biased. when you buy a scope, you start at $100 and get lousy glass and lousy mechanism (repeatability and shot dialing). so then you move to the $250 range and you get some acceptable glass and you will hold zero if you don't move it too much. then you go to $500 and you get some decient glass and you can start dialing and actually not have to fiddle with the dials too much and hit where you aim. go to $750 or $1000 and the glass gets better again and you start getting pretty good (lifetime) repeatability with your dials and absolute zero hold. goto $1500-2000 and you get just about the best glass and lots of it (56MM), (in my opinion what you need for 1000 yards) great repeatability with dials, and you probably get an illuminated reticle which is nice. go higher and you are getting better glass, the guts don't get much better than what Ziess, steiner and Nightforce as well as the other big guys. when you buy a scope that's less than the $1000 mark, in my opinion, its like pulling a big load with a small underpowered truck. you can do it, and it will work for a time (2000 rounds) but after you drive a truck with 625HP, you will never go back, never. the longest confirmed kill in the world was made with a Nightforce scope. even for my .22's I but scopes that cost $350. I don't have a bunch of cash sitting around, I have to save for them, but I do save for them. I would build my own rifle, not one that is already built. that way you are paying only for what you want. I have heard several reputable gunsmiths say that the Remington 700 action is the best factory action to buy because of how it is built. you can have a good smith put a bare bones ported bull barrel on it for $750. you can get a nice aftermarket heavy stock with aluminum bedding block for$400. out a jewel trigger on it and you have yourself a less than 1/2MOA 1500 yard gun that will be better than you are for at least the first 1000 rounds. add a Nightforce and you have everything you need. Some gun makers charge more because people will pay it. some charge more because they make good guns. you have to do the research and find out. a good smith doesn't need to guarantee anything, his reputation preceded him and if he makes something that is substandard, he will absolutely replace it for free. if you want to do something on the cheap, go with a Remington 700 in that 6.5 Creedmoor or the 260, and put a Nikon Monarch on it for $500. get a trigger spring kit from brownells for $20 and you are going to be good for 600 yards. and you could probably kill deer out to 750 yards if you get really good. this gets you in for a little more than $1000. I have used a setup like this to kill Whitetail deer at 500 yards. you will need a range finder too if you plan to do any real long-range hunting. Bushnell makes a good enough one for reasonable money. Good luck. [/QUOTE]
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