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<blockquote data-quote="Pdvdh" data-source="post: 511653" data-attributes="member: 4191"><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yes, that's a fair statement. I have first-hand experience with two Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets failing to expand on solid body hits. One on a Dall ram. One on a black bear. Here's two links to my Posts describing further detail and information on those incidents:</span></p><p><span style="color: black"><a href="http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/not-so-happy-accubonds-34594/index8.html#post233131" target="_blank">http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/not-so-happy-accubonds-34594/index8.html#post233131</a></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><a href="http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/effectiv-range-game-24163/index2.html#post165605" target="_blank">http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/effectiv-range-game-24163/index2.html#post165605</a></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">I had these expanding bullets fail to expand with solid body hits over my 40 years of hunting experiences:</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Berger 210 grain VLD from a .300 Win Mag</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Nosler 150 grain Ballistic Tip from a .280 RCBS Improved</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Nosler 200 grain Ballistic Tip from a .338 Win Mag</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">These animals were all recovered despite a first shot hit with an expanding bullet that failed to expand.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">One additional incident that I can't have complete confidence in was a black bear that was shot with a Hornady 162 grain Amax with a .280 RCBS Improved at 560 yards. I'm pretty sure that bear was lung shot and escaped. Whether that bear died or not, I'll never know. I've described that incident on one Forum or another, but I can't locate it here on LRH at this moment. A couple hours after that shot, I walked out and placed a target within 8 feet of where the black bear was standing and came back and shot twice more from the same location as my first shot. One bullet hit about 1 1/4" left. The second one hit about 3" left. Both were dead nutz on the mark for elevation.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">This Thread seemed to get focused on the Berger VLDs, otherwise I would have provided this information on these incidents with other brands of expanding bullets. I'm not on a mission to slam Berger VLDs. I've shot quite a few animals with Nosler Ballistic Tips, so even with these two first-hand failures, they still have a pretty decent track record - based on my experiences. But I really don't use them too often anymore. I now prefer the Nosler Accubond. Never had one of them fail to expand yet.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Brands of expanding bullets I have used without having experienced any failures to expand on large game animals to date include:</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Nosler Accubonds</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Nosler Partitions</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jack Carter/Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claws</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sierra .338 250 grain Boattail Soft Points</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Speer Grand Slams</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Barnes X and TSX</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">I've shot two large brown bears with the 225 grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claws from a .338 Imperial Magnum. Plain-Jane broadside lung shots proved absolutely devastating. The larger boar squared 10' 5" and dropped completely dead on impact. Not so much as a twitch. Probably more than 1000 lbs live weight. The second bear was the one that had been butt shot with the .458 Win Mag. Even with the bear's adrenaline pumping, another broadside shot through the middle of the ribcage knocked this boar off his feet - and he was never able to regain all fours. This bear probably weighed about 800 lbs. Only two incidents with these 225 grain TBBC's on large boars, but I am very impressed. Which is why I feel pretty good about using these bullets for my 'bear' and 'camp' loads.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Good shooting and hunting to all... gun)</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pdvdh, post: 511653, member: 4191"] [COLOR=black] Yes, that's a fair statement. I have first-hand experience with two Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets failing to expand on solid body hits. One on a Dall ram. One on a black bear. Here's two links to my Posts describing further detail and information on those incidents: [url]http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/not-so-happy-accubonds-34594/index8.html#post233131[/url] [url]http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/effectiv-range-game-24163/index2.html#post165605[/url] I had these expanding bullets fail to expand with solid body hits over my 40 years of hunting experiences: Berger 210 grain VLD from a .300 Win Mag Nosler 150 grain Ballistic Tip from a .280 RCBS Improved Nosler 200 grain Ballistic Tip from a .338 Win Mag These animals were all recovered despite a first shot hit with an expanding bullet that failed to expand. One additional incident that I can't have complete confidence in was a black bear that was shot with a Hornady 162 grain Amax with a .280 RCBS Improved at 560 yards. I'm pretty sure that bear was lung shot and escaped. Whether that bear died or not, I'll never know. I've described that incident on one Forum or another, but I can't locate it here on LRH at this moment. A couple hours after that shot, I walked out and placed a target within 8 feet of where the black bear was standing and came back and shot twice more from the same location as my first shot. One bullet hit about 1 1/4" left. The second one hit about 3" left. Both were dead nutz on the mark for elevation. This Thread seemed to get focused on the Berger VLDs, otherwise I would have provided this information on these incidents with other brands of expanding bullets. I'm not on a mission to slam Berger VLDs. I've shot quite a few animals with Nosler Ballistic Tips, so even with these two first-hand failures, they still have a pretty decent track record - based on my experiences. But I really don't use them too often anymore. I now prefer the Nosler Accubond. Never had one of them fail to expand yet. Brands of expanding bullets I have used without having experienced any failures to expand on large game animals to date include: Nosler Accubonds Nosler Partitions Jack Carter/Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claws Sierra .338 250 grain Boattail Soft Points Speer Grand Slams Barnes X and TSX I've shot two large brown bears with the 225 grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claws from a .338 Imperial Magnum. Plain-Jane broadside lung shots proved absolutely devastating. The larger boar squared 10' 5" and dropped completely dead on impact. Not so much as a twitch. Probably more than 1000 lbs live weight. The second bear was the one that had been butt shot with the .458 Win Mag. Even with the bear's adrenaline pumping, another broadside shot through the middle of the ribcage knocked this boar off his feet - and he was never able to regain all fours. This bear probably weighed about 800 lbs. Only two incidents with these 225 grain TBBC's on large boars, but I am very impressed. Which is why I feel pretty good about using these bullets for my 'bear' and 'camp' loads. Good shooting and hunting to all... gun)[/color] [/QUOTE]
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