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<blockquote data-quote="fordy" data-source="post: 2701652" data-attributes="member: 120504"><p>Gday priely I'm guessing you're replying to me <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤷♂️" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" />if so are we agreeing on the up close then ? That's how I read your reply & my quote of yours below but please tell me if I'm incorrect & we will rehash it over again with facts on both sides of the fence if your willing </p><p>This is a good reply but not the whole story of course that's my opinion but I do respect my elders & 45 yrsof you doing it I'll give you that but I also say you seem to be also once like me </p><p></p><p>Your post </p><p><span style="font-size: 14px">I always have to laugh when I hear that a bullet needs to exit.. Well I ain't shooting a bow so I don't want an exit hole. Berger bullets are awesome on North American Big Game period. I have killed everything from coyotes to large bears with them and they just plain work. If you put a bullet through the vitals on anything it's not going to run far if it even moves at all. I am a big fan of high shoulder shot because when I do my part there is no tracking. You shut down the central nervous system and they don't even take a step. You say these animals can move and cause a miss or a bad shot. It's been my experience that at ranges beyond 600 yards the animal you are shooting is relaxed and has no idea danger is near. I read the time it takes for the animal to move you could miss or wound the animal?? How far is a relaxed animal going to move in 1.5 seconds? That's how long it take my bullet (133 Berger) to travel 1200 yards. Maybe I'm just lucky but in 45 plus years of big game hunting I have learned a thing or two. With Berger I shoot better.</span></p><p></p><p>I'll give you that above as a partial picture & I'll add a bit more to give a bit more clarity of what does happen yes low % but I don't like bingo raffles as I'm not lucky as some </p><p>What happens if that pill fails to go through the vitals not from lack of placement but penertration </p><p></p><p>No use getting into a crap fight of oh but I'm right your wrong syndrome I'll also accept I'm a poor shot so I'd ask ea individual work out where they sit on your description above & mine in the following so they may form their own thoughts on what will bring that critter home with the greatest chances of success </p><p></p><p>First I'll go back to the thread title & as I always do I try to look @ the whole picture & this surely is what's going on up close to cause the op hesitation so he posted this thread to ask how & what he does is solely upto him yet you have only answered a long range part after I posted a reply back to you why we have to be careful especially when things are outside of our control as the penertration of the pill in my equation has played out so many times in real life not only to me but many other hunters & I will accept I must be a poor judge on when to take the shot but when it happens from Murphy to others they would be well advised to @ least think about my equation previously on what may happen so I won't retype as I'm so slow & accept my apology here is my equation </p><p></p><p>I just noticed on here that even a fairly substantial weight frangible failed to exit now put that on a elk & then those ever so potential angles from our lack of being able to place that pill with precision 100% of the time & i have not even entered into any wind reading that we may be off </p><p></p><p>But here's a series of photos that I screen shot from a video on my home forum that to me showed perfectly why we need to be careful [ATTACH]423278[/ATTACH][ATTACH]423275[/ATTACH][ATTACH]423276[/ATTACH][ATTACH]423277[/ATTACH]</p><p>This deer was watched for around a hour & stood & while it started to stretch while offering a slight angle broadside & on break of the trigger it turned & the angle to the vitals increased dramatically now if that was some frangibles a gut shot deer with a high probability of not getting enough damage to the vitals & loosing the critter would be possible no one knows but I want the runs on the board & that's a pill that will routinely exit on a broadside not under the skin .</p><p>time from trigger break to impact I think was around .5-.6 of a second & I have permission to share </p><p></p><p>The energy dump system is one </p><p>That will kill im not doubting that ( I used to swear by it & a huge frangible junkie ) but time after time they have lacked the goods to get the job done on when things don't go to the perfect plan but I don't like loosing any critter or tracking & today my impact to tip is shorter from what I used to achieve </p><p></p><p>I'm not here to judge just show facts </p><p>I've done my longrange & not to proud to say I'd messed up or hide behind my mistakes as that's how I learn just as I have @ short range but I tip my hat to the ones that can do it shot after shot & where they aimed</p><p></p><p>Cheers</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fordy, post: 2701652, member: 120504"] Gday priely I’m guessing you’re replying to me 🤷♂️if so are we agreeing on the up close then ? That’s how I read your reply & my quote of yours below but please tell me if I’m incorrect & we will rehash it over again with facts on both sides of the fence if your willing This is a good reply but not the whole story of course that’s my opinion but I do respect my elders & 45 yrsof you doing it I’ll give you that but I also say you seem to be also once like me Your post [SIZE=14px]I always have to laugh when I hear that a bullet needs to exit.. Well I ain't shooting a bow so I don't want an exit hole. Berger bullets are awesome on North American Big Game period. I have killed everything from coyotes to large bears with them and they just plain work. If you put a bullet through the vitals on anything it's not going to run far if it even moves at all. I am a big fan of high shoulder shot because when I do my part there is no tracking. You shut down the central nervous system and they don't even take a step. You say these animals can move and cause a miss or a bad shot. It's been my experience that at ranges beyond 600 yards the animal you are shooting is relaxed and has no idea danger is near. I read the time it takes for the animal to move you could miss or wound the animal?? How far is a relaxed animal going to move in 1.5 seconds? That's how long it take my bullet (133 Berger) to travel 1200 yards. Maybe I'm just lucky but in 45 plus years of big game hunting I have learned a thing or two. With Berger I shoot better.[/SIZE] I’ll give you that above as a partial picture & I’ll add a bit more to give a bit more clarity of what does happen yes low % but I don’t like bingo raffles as I’m not lucky as some What happens if that pill fails to go through the vitals not from lack of placement but penertration No use getting into a crap fight of oh but I’m right your wrong syndrome I’ll also accept I’m a poor shot so I’d ask ea individual work out where they sit on your description above & mine in the following so they may form their own thoughts on what will bring that critter home with the greatest chances of success First I’ll go back to the thread title & as I always do I try to look @ the whole picture & this surely is what’s going on up close to cause the op hesitation so he posted this thread to ask how & what he does is solely upto him yet you have only answered a long range part after I posted a reply back to you why we have to be careful especially when things are outside of our control as the penertration of the pill in my equation has played out so many times in real life not only to me but many other hunters & I will accept I must be a poor judge on when to take the shot but when it happens from Murphy to others they would be well advised to @ least think about my equation previously on what may happen so I won’t retype as I’m so slow & accept my apology here is my equation I just noticed on here that even a fairly substantial weight frangible failed to exit now put that on a elk & then those ever so potential angles from our lack of being able to place that pill with precision 100% of the time & i have not even entered into any wind reading that we may be off But here’s a series of photos that I screen shot from a video on my home forum that to me showed perfectly why we need to be careful [ATTACH]423278[/ATTACH][ATTACH]423275[/ATTACH][ATTACH]423276[/ATTACH][ATTACH]423277[/ATTACH] This deer was watched for around a hour & stood & while it started to stretch while offering a slight angle broadside & on break of the trigger it turned & the angle to the vitals increased dramatically now if that was some frangibles a gut shot deer with a high probability of not getting enough damage to the vitals & loosing the critter would be possible no one knows but I want the runs on the board & that’s a pill that will routinely exit on a broadside not under the skin . time from trigger break to impact I think was around .5-.6 of a second & I have permission to share The energy dump system is one That will kill im not doubting that ( I used to swear by it & a huge frangible junkie ) but time after time they have lacked the goods to get the job done on when things don’t go to the perfect plan but I don’t like loosing any critter or tracking & today my impact to tip is shorter from what I used to achieve I’m not here to judge just show facts I’ve done my longrange & not to proud to say I’d messed up or hide behind my mistakes as that’s how I learn just as I have @ short range but I tip my hat to the ones that can do it shot after shot & where they aimed Cheers [/QUOTE]
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