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<blockquote data-quote="goodgrouper" data-source="post: 100421" data-attributes="member: 2852"><p>[ QUOTE ]</p><p> Well, Goodgrouper and UncleB, I guess you two have chose not to cross the "line in the sand" </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ] </p><p></p><p></p><p>Well I don't know exactly what this means, but if you mean we didn't want to start the old pot stirring then you are correct. I, for one, am not interested in expending energy to dispell all the so called "facts" you rattled off. I have been answering questions and disqualifying myths for many years and quite frankly, one more guy going against all known basic principles and general common knowledge related to firearms just to stir crap up and confuse people really doesn't concern me at this point. If you want to keep on believing that pillars are not needed in a bedding job, and there is no such thing as overweighting a receiver, or to say a pencil barrel is as accurate as a bull barrel, then by all means go right ahead. It makes no difference to me. I have stacks and stacks of actual published literature directly contradictory to your statements (as well as many others here surely do) but that means nothing unless you want it to. I only fear that beginners are getting mixed signals as to what to do when they build rifles or bed a stock. It is for them that I step up and get a little non-diplomatic when Bart B starts typing. Ask any of the knowledgeable gunsmiths here if they believe skinny barrels are better or more accurate than heavier barrels. They probably would have already answered but they are in a position on here where they have to be more diplomatic. I'm not. I try to be patient and try to be polite and if that means ignoring someone or not stepping over a line in the sand, then that is what I generally try to do.</p><p></p><p>Your above example means nothing. It is not detailed enough, does not have controlled conditions, and has no author. For all we know, the barrel may not have been a #9 contour, but it may have been a #5 and was more accurate than a #3. Who knows. Without more context, nothing can be derived from it. HOwever, you can pick up a copy of Precision shooting magazine, or a copy of "Understanding firearm ballistics" by Robert Rinker. They will enlighten you.</p><p></p><p>I will comment on this one last thing before I end this coverstation just because I have had a dozen people email me and ask what is right or wrong in this thread this week. </p><p>Anyone who has ever developed a precision reload sequence for a pencil barrel along side a heavy barrel will immediately notice a difference in the two. The heavy barrel is much more tolerant of a variety of loads and is more consistently accurate from day to day. This is old hat. YOu ain't foolin me buddy. It is much harder to get the bulllet to leave the skinny barrel in the exact same point in the oscillation because <font color="red">THE SKINNY BARREL ABSOLUTELY OSCILLATES WITH HIGHER FREQUENCY AND GREATER MAGNITUDE THAN THE STIFFER (HEAVIER) BARREL! </font> </p><p></p><p>Have a nice day. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="goodgrouper, post: 100421, member: 2852"] [ QUOTE ] Well, Goodgrouper and UncleB, I guess you two have chose not to cross the "line in the sand" [/ QUOTE ] Well I don't know exactly what this means, but if you mean we didn't want to start the old pot stirring then you are correct. I, for one, am not interested in expending energy to dispell all the so called "facts" you rattled off. I have been answering questions and disqualifying myths for many years and quite frankly, one more guy going against all known basic principles and general common knowledge related to firearms just to stir crap up and confuse people really doesn't concern me at this point. If you want to keep on believing that pillars are not needed in a bedding job, and there is no such thing as overweighting a receiver, or to say a pencil barrel is as accurate as a bull barrel, then by all means go right ahead. It makes no difference to me. I have stacks and stacks of actual published literature directly contradictory to your statements (as well as many others here surely do) but that means nothing unless you want it to. I only fear that beginners are getting mixed signals as to what to do when they build rifles or bed a stock. It is for them that I step up and get a little non-diplomatic when Bart B starts typing. Ask any of the knowledgeable gunsmiths here if they believe skinny barrels are better or more accurate than heavier barrels. They probably would have already answered but they are in a position on here where they have to be more diplomatic. I'm not. I try to be patient and try to be polite and if that means ignoring someone or not stepping over a line in the sand, then that is what I generally try to do. Your above example means nothing. It is not detailed enough, does not have controlled conditions, and has no author. For all we know, the barrel may not have been a #9 contour, but it may have been a #5 and was more accurate than a #3. Who knows. Without more context, nothing can be derived from it. HOwever, you can pick up a copy of Precision shooting magazine, or a copy of "Understanding firearm ballistics" by Robert Rinker. They will enlighten you. I will comment on this one last thing before I end this coverstation just because I have had a dozen people email me and ask what is right or wrong in this thread this week. Anyone who has ever developed a precision reload sequence for a pencil barrel along side a heavy barrel will immediately notice a difference in the two. The heavy barrel is much more tolerant of a variety of loads and is more consistently accurate from day to day. This is old hat. YOu ain't foolin me buddy. It is much harder to get the bulllet to leave the skinny barrel in the exact same point in the oscillation because <font color="red">THE SKINNY BARREL ABSOLUTELY OSCILLATES WITH HIGHER FREQUENCY AND GREATER MAGNITUDE THAN THE STIFFER (HEAVIER) BARREL! </font> Have a nice day. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]
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