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<blockquote data-quote="thinair" data-source="post: 1717677" data-attributes="member: 109077"><p>Let me tell you something. Disregard all the idiots, who tells you need big bores. Who would you rather listen, science or these smuchks? Colorado parks and wildlife requires minimum of 243 caliber and 1000lbs enery on impact on lung shot on elk. Recommends 1200+. 7mm08 shooting 162 eldm at 2740 muzzle fps, at high elevation, at 600 yards still carry ~1650 energy. It even meets old myth number of 1500 to kill.</p><p>New atips already proving to be a good hunting bullet. So something like 6.5 153gr atip going same 2740 at muzzle, still carry ~1600 energy at 600yards at high elevation (~8000ft). Mild recoil, better accuracy, better shot placement. Really depends on where you hunt, as higher elevation gives energy bonus. Mentioned specs of 6.5, at <u><strong>sea level</strong></u> at 600 yards still carry ~1350 energy, which is more than minimum, and requirement of colorado parks and wildlife, which is a state with most elk, so they know what they talking about, and based on science, and not some bragging old scholers pretending to know it all.</p><p>If you not trusting atips, eldms, berger vlds (they are proven especially last two)... go with eldx, or those old time proven pills such as partitions, accubonds. Biggest cartridge at the most- 280ai, which is excellent cartridge. Im a fan of one gun, one bullet only. So thats what i would get, pretty much any 6.5, up to low/mid 7mms. 7mms are so nice as bullet grain goes from ~100 all the way to 195.</p><p>That sweet middle of 1 bullet for elk/goat/deer, is somewhere in 150-168 grain. Put it in kill zone, and you have food, and still have fun shooting steel at 1000 yards.... thats why i rather suggest vlds, or eldms because of their bc, good for steel and hunting.</p><p>Man, 280 ai and something like 162 eldm, eldx, 168Burger vld, 175 eldx... can hunt a godzilla <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> And there is a king of all bullets... 180eldm, but i think its overkill for deer and stuff, so my ideal is 162s eldm/x. Can't wait for 7mms a-tips.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thinair, post: 1717677, member: 109077"] Let me tell you something. Disregard all the idiots, who tells you need big bores. Who would you rather listen, science or these smuchks? Colorado parks and wildlife requires minimum of 243 caliber and 1000lbs enery on impact on lung shot on elk. Recommends 1200+. 7mm08 shooting 162 eldm at 2740 muzzle fps, at high elevation, at 600 yards still carry ~1650 energy. It even meets old myth number of 1500 to kill. New atips already proving to be a good hunting bullet. So something like 6.5 153gr atip going same 2740 at muzzle, still carry ~1600 energy at 600yards at high elevation (~8000ft). Mild recoil, better accuracy, better shot placement. Really depends on where you hunt, as higher elevation gives energy bonus. Mentioned specs of 6.5, at [U][B]sea level[/B][/U] at 600 yards still carry ~1350 energy, which is more than minimum, and requirement of colorado parks and wildlife, which is a state with most elk, so they know what they talking about, and based on science, and not some bragging old scholers pretending to know it all. If you not trusting atips, eldms, berger vlds (they are proven especially last two)... go with eldx, or those old time proven pills such as partitions, accubonds. Biggest cartridge at the most- 280ai, which is excellent cartridge. Im a fan of one gun, one bullet only. So thats what i would get, pretty much any 6.5, up to low/mid 7mms. 7mms are so nice as bullet grain goes from ~100 all the way to 195. That sweet middle of 1 bullet for elk/goat/deer, is somewhere in 150-168 grain. Put it in kill zone, and you have food, and still have fun shooting steel at 1000 yards.... thats why i rather suggest vlds, or eldms because of their bc, good for steel and hunting. Man, 280 ai and something like 162 eldm, eldx, 168Burger vld, 175 eldx... can hunt a godzilla :) And there is a king of all bullets... 180eldm, but i think its overkill for deer and stuff, so my ideal is 162s eldm/x. Can't wait for 7mms a-tips. [/QUOTE]
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