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<blockquote data-quote="goodgrouper" data-source="post: 237835" data-attributes="member: 2852"><p>I'm obviously dealing with someone here who has a serious lack of common sense and/or intelligence. LV, you need to try to understand a few things if you possibly can.</p><p></p><p>First, I am still interested in actual results (that's right, plural) of these bullets. You are mistaking my lack of faith in your credibility as arguing with your result. If you truly had a wonderful and fantastic terminal ballistic result on your one doe deer, than I say that is great. But can you blame me for not wanting to believe you? Even if you had shown unbiased proof of anything, I would still ask questions. But you really haven't shown any proof yet biased or non so forgive me for needing a little more proof. My testing was unbiased, and was posted to help you with a problem I saw, not to belittle you. Yet, that is how YOU took it and you shouldn't get in a tissy if I call you on it. My testing has proved itself to work on many, many bullets and have thus resulted in far greater long distance kills than you have even thought of in your own life and we both know that so again, forgive me if I put stock in them and you don't. </p><p></p><p>Second, about your business ethics. Well, they stink. You've already managed to turn a lot of people off your product just by how you acted here. I didn't help you ruin that. You did it all by yourself. ANd on my personal note, I can deal with bad business manners to a point, but this whole second set of dies crap was BULL. I specifically asked you if these bullets I tested were going to be available in the future without a doubt and you said, "yes". I then further let you know that they have to be because if I was going to test them, I had limited barrel life and wanted to know I was testing the final product and you said, "yes". Then it turns out, before I EVEN HAD PUT YOUR BULLETS IN BRASS, there was already replacement dies on the way to replace the first set and the bullets I was testing were obsolete before they even arrived in my mailbox! That is bad business sir. NOt to mention a lie. I don't take to kindly to liars LV and you need serious help in that department.</p><p></p><p>Thirdly, you seem to be hung up on the figure of speech bet Ron and I had for some reason as you keep mentioning it like you are going to see any more money from me or something. As I said before, the bet was with Ron, and the bet was void as WE BOTH BET ON THE SAME THING! That you would try to shoot some deer with experimental bullets that hadn't been tested on anything beforehand and it would be a wounded deer. Have we any proof otherwise???? Nope. Just your word and we've already described what that's worth around here. Here's an idea, get Greyghost on here to tell us the story. I don't even care if he has pictures or video. Just get him on here to say his bullets worked and I would believe him. </p><p></p><p>And lastly, I have a question for you. Why get so bent out of shape about a bullet that failed my humble little test if the bullet I tested wasn't even the bullet that is for sale anymore? What is it to you? Why make a big stink about it? Why insult me and get into a battle you know you can't win when all I was trying to do was show results to help you make a better bullet. This whole thing has almost become null and void because you are now using different bullets to hunt with than the bullets I originally tested! With every word you type, you are getting further and further down a dead end road. But so am I as I am arguing with a man that can't seem to play with a full deck.</p><p></p><p>By the way, I will be at the Cactus with bells on (again, that is a figure of speech, I won't actually be wearing bells) and I am looking forward to seeing you there. Perhaps you'll have some pictures to show me?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="goodgrouper, post: 237835, member: 2852"] I'm obviously dealing with someone here who has a serious lack of common sense and/or intelligence. LV, you need to try to understand a few things if you possibly can. First, I am still interested in actual results (that's right, plural) of these bullets. You are mistaking my lack of faith in your credibility as arguing with your result. If you truly had a wonderful and fantastic terminal ballistic result on your one doe deer, than I say that is great. But can you blame me for not wanting to believe you? Even if you had shown unbiased proof of anything, I would still ask questions. But you really haven't shown any proof yet biased or non so forgive me for needing a little more proof. My testing was unbiased, and was posted to help you with a problem I saw, not to belittle you. Yet, that is how YOU took it and you shouldn't get in a tissy if I call you on it. My testing has proved itself to work on many, many bullets and have thus resulted in far greater long distance kills than you have even thought of in your own life and we both know that so again, forgive me if I put stock in them and you don't. Second, about your business ethics. Well, they stink. You've already managed to turn a lot of people off your product just by how you acted here. I didn't help you ruin that. You did it all by yourself. ANd on my personal note, I can deal with bad business manners to a point, but this whole second set of dies crap was BULL. I specifically asked you if these bullets I tested were going to be available in the future without a doubt and you said, "yes". I then further let you know that they have to be because if I was going to test them, I had limited barrel life and wanted to know I was testing the final product and you said, "yes". Then it turns out, before I EVEN HAD PUT YOUR BULLETS IN BRASS, there was already replacement dies on the way to replace the first set and the bullets I was testing were obsolete before they even arrived in my mailbox! That is bad business sir. NOt to mention a lie. I don't take to kindly to liars LV and you need serious help in that department. Thirdly, you seem to be hung up on the figure of speech bet Ron and I had for some reason as you keep mentioning it like you are going to see any more money from me or something. As I said before, the bet was with Ron, and the bet was void as WE BOTH BET ON THE SAME THING! That you would try to shoot some deer with experimental bullets that hadn't been tested on anything beforehand and it would be a wounded deer. Have we any proof otherwise???? Nope. Just your word and we've already described what that's worth around here. Here's an idea, get Greyghost on here to tell us the story. I don't even care if he has pictures or video. Just get him on here to say his bullets worked and I would believe him. And lastly, I have a question for you. Why get so bent out of shape about a bullet that failed my humble little test if the bullet I tested wasn't even the bullet that is for sale anymore? What is it to you? Why make a big stink about it? Why insult me and get into a battle you know you can't win when all I was trying to do was show results to help you make a better bullet. This whole thing has almost become null and void because you are now using different bullets to hunt with than the bullets I originally tested! With every word you type, you are getting further and further down a dead end road. But so am I as I am arguing with a man that can't seem to play with a full deck. By the way, I will be at the Cactus with bells on (again, that is a figure of speech, I won't actually be wearing bells) and I am looking forward to seeing you there. Perhaps you'll have some pictures to show me? [/QUOTE]
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