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<blockquote data-quote="goodgrouper" data-source="post: 232315" data-attributes="member: 2852"><p>Interesting LV. Very interesting. But so very contradictory. Where do I begin? How about here: </p><p>Earlier in the year, you stated that your hunt began in August so you would have some live animal testing to show us "very soon" as in several weeks. So my conclusion from what you said was that you were going to go hunting and try to kill something at the first of your season. Now you say you have until new years day to hunt and you have been busy playing in the dirt? Contradictory. And by the way, I didn't do any research on your hunt season. How could I do that if I don't even know what state you live in??? And why would I care anyway? My research methods far exceed anything you've obviously ever dreamed of for yourself so that is a non-issue. I simply had to go off what you told us which is certainly a mistake I won't make again.</p><p></p><p>As for the Benjamin on the table, when did you get the idea that that friendly wager was with you?! That was something I said to Ron Tilley and had nothing to do with you. And even if it was said to you, the bet would not be over yet (now pay attention here) because YOU HAVE YET TO KILL ANYTHING WITH THESE BULLETS!!! Am I wrong?! Nice try to though.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Another point: I find it horribly and terribly unethical to test new bullets on game without so much as running media test beforehand. You believe they will work because you have so much invested in them and they "just look so darned good" but the fact is, every major bullet maker in the world who intends their bullets to be used on game tests and retests thier bullets in media before releasing them to the public. The disrespect for life you have is astounding. How can you pull the trigger on an animal and not have the slightest idea what the bullet is going to do to it? You are in effect gambling with life that is not your's to gamble with. It's a serious lack of character. But then again, we have already seen your character on display here and it is no surprise. </p><p></p><p></p><p>And I am glad you are going to disregard my testing of your holy bullets. I figured you would. Ignorance is bliss and your drowning in a sea of it. I have tested just about every game bullet on the market in the same way I tested yours and yours placed second on the FAIL lists right under Lapua Scenars. If a bullet is going to work at long range, it will open up in my tests regardless of any factors you have mentioned. Period. I have the photos and long range kills to prove it. If you find it humorous, I don't care. You can learn from other's experiences in this life or you can ignore it and hope for the best. Either way, you as a person and businessman have demonstrated your worth with full clarity and I couldn't care less what happens to you or your precious bullets. I simply was curious as to see if my testing proved right and you didn't have the balls to show us the failures, or to see if you were going to come up with yet another excuse for not showing us any testing data, or finally if you were going to show us a photoshopped lie and try to pass it by us "less educated" types. The ball is in your court ane we are STILL WAITING. This should be interesting.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And btw, if you didn't know, PO Ackley had his shop not more than 50 miles from me and there are many of the old timers around here who knew him personally and used his gunsmithing services and I have talked with many of them. I also own his volumes and from my research by these two sources, Ackley believed the bullets would not react the same without blood pressure because he was studying the effects of light weight bullets at high velocities which rely on hydrostatic shock to kill. Unfortunately, we use big, long, heavy bullets which have reduced their impact velocity to way below Ackley's high impact testing and the hydrostatic shock factor is greatly reduced as well. It's apples to oranges comparison so you might want to do some better research next time! Then again, I know you won't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="goodgrouper, post: 232315, member: 2852"] Interesting LV. Very interesting. But so very contradictory. Where do I begin? How about here: Earlier in the year, you stated that your hunt began in August so you would have some live animal testing to show us "very soon" as in several weeks. So my conclusion from what you said was that you were going to go hunting and try to kill something at the first of your season. Now you say you have until new years day to hunt and you have been busy playing in the dirt? Contradictory. And by the way, I didn't do any research on your hunt season. How could I do that if I don't even know what state you live in??? And why would I care anyway? My research methods far exceed anything you've obviously ever dreamed of for yourself so that is a non-issue. I simply had to go off what you told us which is certainly a mistake I won't make again. As for the Benjamin on the table, when did you get the idea that that friendly wager was with you?! That was something I said to Ron Tilley and had nothing to do with you. And even if it was said to you, the bet would not be over yet (now pay attention here) because YOU HAVE YET TO KILL ANYTHING WITH THESE BULLETS!!! Am I wrong?! Nice try to though. Another point: I find it horribly and terribly unethical to test new bullets on game without so much as running media test beforehand. You believe they will work because you have so much invested in them and they "just look so darned good" but the fact is, every major bullet maker in the world who intends their bullets to be used on game tests and retests thier bullets in media before releasing them to the public. The disrespect for life you have is astounding. How can you pull the trigger on an animal and not have the slightest idea what the bullet is going to do to it? You are in effect gambling with life that is not your's to gamble with. It's a serious lack of character. But then again, we have already seen your character on display here and it is no surprise. And I am glad you are going to disregard my testing of your holy bullets. I figured you would. Ignorance is bliss and your drowning in a sea of it. I have tested just about every game bullet on the market in the same way I tested yours and yours placed second on the FAIL lists right under Lapua Scenars. If a bullet is going to work at long range, it will open up in my tests regardless of any factors you have mentioned. Period. I have the photos and long range kills to prove it. If you find it humorous, I don't care. You can learn from other's experiences in this life or you can ignore it and hope for the best. Either way, you as a person and businessman have demonstrated your worth with full clarity and I couldn't care less what happens to you or your precious bullets. I simply was curious as to see if my testing proved right and you didn't have the balls to show us the failures, or to see if you were going to come up with yet another excuse for not showing us any testing data, or finally if you were going to show us a photoshopped lie and try to pass it by us "less educated" types. The ball is in your court ane we are STILL WAITING. This should be interesting. And btw, if you didn't know, PO Ackley had his shop not more than 50 miles from me and there are many of the old timers around here who knew him personally and used his gunsmithing services and I have talked with many of them. I also own his volumes and from my research by these two sources, Ackley believed the bullets would not react the same without blood pressure because he was studying the effects of light weight bullets at high velocities which rely on hydrostatic shock to kill. Unfortunately, we use big, long, heavy bullets which have reduced their impact velocity to way below Ackley's high impact testing and the hydrostatic shock factor is greatly reduced as well. It's apples to oranges comparison so you might want to do some better research next time! Then again, I know you won't. [/QUOTE]
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