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Leupold or Sightron???
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<blockquote data-quote="Pdvdh" data-source="post: 266755" data-attributes="member: 4191"><p>trueblue,</p><p></p><p>Yes, they can be used exactly as you described. I've used mil-dot reticle hold-overs to shoot caribou out to 850 yds and Dall sheep out to 730 yds, and targets out to 1000 yds without any trouble. This was using an IOR MP-8 version mil-dot and the Zeiss Conquest mil-dot reticles.</p><p></p><p>There are scopes available with both mil-mil (mil-reticles and mil-turrets), as well as scopes with moa-moa (moa-reticle hashes and moa-turrets) features. Those are probably a bit simpler in use, but the scopes with these options tend to cost $1400 or more, on up to +$3000. I haven't suffered any significant handicapp/problem with the 1/4 moa turrets and mil-dot reticles. If you're serious about using reticle holdovers for long range hunting then having a reticle with a total of 15 mils (10 mils of holdover beneath the crosshair intersection & with 1/2 mil divisions (such as the IOR MP-8 reticle) is a good approach. I sight my 300 WM in at 450 to 500 yds and use the IOR reticle for holdunders and holdovers. With this reticle I can get out to 1000 yds without any turret twisting.</p><p></p><p>This winter I purchased the Patagonia Loadbase 2.0 ballistic software and a Dell Axim pocket computer. I've only used the reticle holdover method in the past, but I'm now positioned to be able to either twist the elevation turret OR use the reticle holdovers. With this software there is a feature that provides the target correction in either "Clicks", "MOA", "IPHY", or "Mil-Rad". By selecting "Clicks" the software provides the correct number of turret clicks for proper elevation & windage adjustment. By selecting the "Mil-Rad" option, the software provides the correct number of Mils required for proper Mil-Dot reticle holdover and windage offset. Pretty slick. Depending on how much time I have to prepare for the shot, I can decide which is preferable in the field and then run with that option.</p><p></p><p>There are some very experienced guys on this forum that prefer turret twisting - especially for yardages exceeding ~1000 yds. There are other experienced members that have expressed complete satisfaction using the reticle holdover/holdunder approach out to ~1000 yds. I can only vouch that the reticle holdover method has been effective and sufficient for me out to 1000 yds with my IOR MP-8 reticle (which supplies a total of 15 elevation mils broken down to 1/2 mil hashes), and out to 850 yds with a standard military mil-dot reticle, like the mil-dot reticle available on the Zeiss Conquest. Hope this makes sense...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pdvdh, post: 266755, member: 4191"] trueblue, Yes, they can be used exactly as you described. I've used mil-dot reticle hold-overs to shoot caribou out to 850 yds and Dall sheep out to 730 yds, and targets out to 1000 yds without any trouble. This was using an IOR MP-8 version mil-dot and the Zeiss Conquest mil-dot reticles. There are scopes available with both mil-mil (mil-reticles and mil-turrets), as well as scopes with moa-moa (moa-reticle hashes and moa-turrets) features. Those are probably a bit simpler in use, but the scopes with these options tend to cost $1400 or more, on up to +$3000. I haven't suffered any significant handicapp/problem with the 1/4 moa turrets and mil-dot reticles. If you're serious about using reticle holdovers for long range hunting then having a reticle with a total of 15 mils (10 mils of holdover beneath the crosshair intersection & with 1/2 mil divisions (such as the IOR MP-8 reticle) is a good approach. I sight my 300 WM in at 450 to 500 yds and use the IOR reticle for holdunders and holdovers. With this reticle I can get out to 1000 yds without any turret twisting. This winter I purchased the Patagonia Loadbase 2.0 ballistic software and a Dell Axim pocket computer. I've only used the reticle holdover method in the past, but I'm now positioned to be able to either twist the elevation turret OR use the reticle holdovers. With this software there is a feature that provides the target correction in either "Clicks", "MOA", "IPHY", or "Mil-Rad". By selecting "Clicks" the software provides the correct number of turret clicks for proper elevation & windage adjustment. By selecting the "Mil-Rad" option, the software provides the correct number of Mils required for proper Mil-Dot reticle holdover and windage offset. Pretty slick. Depending on how much time I have to prepare for the shot, I can decide which is preferable in the field and then run with that option. There are some very experienced guys on this forum that prefer turret twisting - especially for yardages exceeding ~1000 yds. There are other experienced members that have expressed complete satisfaction using the reticle holdover/holdunder approach out to ~1000 yds. I can only vouch that the reticle holdover method has been effective and sufficient for me out to 1000 yds with my IOR MP-8 reticle (which supplies a total of 15 elevation mils broken down to 1/2 mil hashes), and out to 850 yds with a standard military mil-dot reticle, like the mil-dot reticle available on the Zeiss Conquest. Hope this makes sense... [/QUOTE]
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