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<blockquote data-quote="boomtube" data-source="post: 582628" data-attributes="member: 9215"><p>Both kits work fine but no KIT is complete, you will still have to add several other items for a complete set-up. That said, trying to compare "the" Lee kit to "the" RCBS kit for which is 'best' really isn't intellectually honest; they are made for much different customers and include different tools.</p><p> </p><p>RCBS tools are the "standard" of the reloading industry. Contrary to some opinions, that doesn't mean their stuff is the 'best', it just means they (and Lyman) have been around a very long time and almost everyone knows what it is; that makes comparing others to RCBS immediately understandable to almost anyone. </p><p>RCBS does have a great lifetime parts replacement policy but those "free" parts are NOT free; they are factored into the original purchase price. That's really good for fumble finger guys who bend or break a lot of stuff but it's not so great for those who don't.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Pitting alum alloy presses (Lee, Hornady or RCBS) against cast iron presses (Lee, RCBS, Redding, etc) makes a bit of difference in that the iron stuff wears better but unless you're loading some high volumes for a long time even that won't much matter. Most <u>avid</u> reloaders prefer iron presses but they don't make any better ammo than the less costly alum alloy types. Reloading tools are quite simple and there are no deep secrets to their design. Lee's tools are less costly because they are simple designs intended to be made on largely automated CNC tooling by non-mechanist workers and that plan works well. </p><p> </p><p>So, want a good press for low volume work; get an alum. Lee. Want an iron/steel beast for large rifle cartridges; get a Lee's Classic Cast or Classic Turret. (NOT the 'breach lock" stuff, IMHO, any quick-change die system is a great solution for which we have no real problem.)</p><p> </p><p>Avoid 'tips' from anyone who says, in effect, "Get my favorite, it's great; I've never used anything else!" It seems those who are stuck on any one brand have little or no experiece with anything else so their perspective is quite limited. Most old hands have a wide variety of brands on their bench. experienced reloaders buy different tools for their features and performance, not color. </p><p> </p><p>Saying all that isn't much direct help for a poor noob trying to get his feet on the ground but the effect is that you can buy anything you're willing to pay for and know you'll get more service than you're likely to need for a very long time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="boomtube, post: 582628, member: 9215"] Both kits work fine but no KIT is complete, you will still have to add several other items for a complete set-up. That said, trying to compare "the" Lee kit to "the" RCBS kit for which is 'best' really isn't intellectually honest; they are made for much different customers and include different tools. RCBS tools are the "standard" of the reloading industry. Contrary to some opinions, that doesn't mean their stuff is the 'best', it just means they (and Lyman) have been around a very long time and almost everyone knows what it is; that makes comparing others to RCBS immediately understandable to almost anyone. RCBS does have a great lifetime parts replacement policy but those "free" parts are NOT free; they are factored into the original purchase price. That's really good for fumble finger guys who bend or break a lot of stuff but it's not so great for those who don't. Pitting alum alloy presses (Lee, Hornady or RCBS) against cast iron presses (Lee, RCBS, Redding, etc) makes a bit of difference in that the iron stuff wears better but unless you're loading some high volumes for a long time even that won't much matter. Most [U]avid[/U] reloaders prefer iron presses but they don't make any better ammo than the less costly alum alloy types. Reloading tools are quite simple and there are no deep secrets to their design. Lee's tools are less costly because they are simple designs intended to be made on largely automated CNC tooling by non-mechanist workers and that plan works well. So, want a good press for low volume work; get an alum. Lee. Want an iron/steel beast for large rifle cartridges; get a Lee's Classic Cast or Classic Turret. (NOT the 'breach lock" stuff, IMHO, any quick-change die system is a great solution for which we have no real problem.) Avoid 'tips' from anyone who says, in effect, "Get my favorite, it's great; I've never used anything else!" It seems those who are stuck on any one brand have little or no experiece with anything else so their perspective is quite limited. Most old hands have a wide variety of brands on their bench. experienced reloaders buy different tools for their features and performance, not color. Saying all that isn't much direct help for a poor noob trying to get his feet on the ground but the effect is that you can buy anything you're willing to pay for and know you'll get more service than you're likely to need for a very long time. [/QUOTE]
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