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Lee Collet Dies vs Redding S bushing dies
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<blockquote data-quote="Jimm" data-source="post: 111648" data-attributes="member: 9"><p>Ian !</p><p></p><p> Youre still alive and kicking /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Great to hear from you </p><p></p><p> Your post on the Lee collet dies regarding " performance ,fit and finish" is refreshing to read . You gave the pros and cons as you see them but even though you are biased towards the Reddings you did not let that stop you from telling what you have experienced . I like tools that have quality finishes as well as you , yet there is a lot to be said for tools that can perform at a higher level without the higher associated cost of a more eyepleasing tool . Richard Lee is a genius in his field and has provided many that can not afford more costly tools with the means to equal the results of them. </p><p></p><p> Another note regarding the force required to use the collet dies . I felt like I was overresponding to the instructions in the Lee die set regarding " minimum of 25 lbs force " . So out comes the dial caliper and measurements are taken with what was the force I had been using and then with sucessively smaller amounts of pressure on the press to discover at what level the case is fully sized to the mandrel . I was using twice ( approx ) the force necessary for the task . I wish some of the genious folks here would come up with a gauge that would show applied force to save wear and tear .</p><p></p><p> Remember that the " no lube , no neck turn " deal is worth a boatload in consideration of this simple die and the weight in favor of them grows even heavier because of this .</p><p></p><p> I am glad that you are getting some use out of the 243 die , I was afraid it would never get to you . </p><p></p><p> Jerry Teo and Abinok ar e experts on these dies and a t some time in the past Jerry pointed out several things tha t the Lee collet die would tell you about the condition of the brass that other dies could not . Alas , I am a pitiful search person so I can not tell of those things . Maybe Jerry or Abinok will take the time to repeat what they have shared before . However , I have learned recently that if you push 300 win mag brass hard enough the belt will not want to go inside the " guide " of a collet die causing a scuff / reduction of the belt in order for it to do so . This telltale caused me to check the dimensions of the extractor groove sooner than I would have . From a new measurement to the " problem measurement " was 5 thousands diff., ouch /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif pushed them a bit too much /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I reckon .</p><p></p><p> As far as longrange testing I can attest to the fact that while using Lee collet dies my 300 winnie has produced groups in the 2.5 to 3 inch size at 700. Nothing earthshaking , but certainly some evidence in favor of the accuracy potential of the dies .</p><p></p><p> Jim B.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jimm, post: 111648, member: 9"] Ian ! Youre still alive and kicking [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Great to hear from you Your post on the Lee collet dies regarding " performance ,fit and finish" is refreshing to read . You gave the pros and cons as you see them but even though you are biased towards the Reddings you did not let that stop you from telling what you have experienced . I like tools that have quality finishes as well as you , yet there is a lot to be said for tools that can perform at a higher level without the higher associated cost of a more eyepleasing tool . Richard Lee is a genius in his field and has provided many that can not afford more costly tools with the means to equal the results of them. Another note regarding the force required to use the collet dies . I felt like I was overresponding to the instructions in the Lee die set regarding " minimum of 25 lbs force " . So out comes the dial caliper and measurements are taken with what was the force I had been using and then with sucessively smaller amounts of pressure on the press to discover at what level the case is fully sized to the mandrel . I was using twice ( approx ) the force necessary for the task . I wish some of the genious folks here would come up with a gauge that would show applied force to save wear and tear . Remember that the " no lube , no neck turn " deal is worth a boatload in consideration of this simple die and the weight in favor of them grows even heavier because of this . I am glad that you are getting some use out of the 243 die , I was afraid it would never get to you . Jerry Teo and Abinok ar e experts on these dies and a t some time in the past Jerry pointed out several things tha t the Lee collet die would tell you about the condition of the brass that other dies could not . Alas , I am a pitiful search person so I can not tell of those things . Maybe Jerry or Abinok will take the time to repeat what they have shared before . However , I have learned recently that if you push 300 win mag brass hard enough the belt will not want to go inside the " guide " of a collet die causing a scuff / reduction of the belt in order for it to do so . This telltale caused me to check the dimensions of the extractor groove sooner than I would have . From a new measurement to the " problem measurement " was 5 thousands diff., ouch [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] pushed them a bit too much [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I reckon . As far as longrange testing I can attest to the fact that while using Lee collet dies my 300 winnie has produced groups in the 2.5 to 3 inch size at 700. Nothing earthshaking , but certainly some evidence in favor of the accuracy potential of the dies . Jim B. [/QUOTE]
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