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Rifles, Reloading, Optics, Equipment
Reloading
Ladder test fail. Stop telling newbs to use advanced techniques.
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<blockquote data-quote="LongBomber" data-source="post: 1528474" data-attributes="member: 14435"><p>Nope didn't miss your point, I actually agree that there are combinations that will not build a satisfactory load in a specific rifle. Especially so in most factory rifles. A custom rifle may be able to get almost any bullet to 1/2moa with load development, but from the factory guns I had there are bullets that will never be better than 1 1/2.</p><p></p><p>I do a lot of tinkering, I shoot twice a week normally and am always playing with something. In the ladder tests I have run if clear results are not showing up on a paper target (usually shot at 500y) then I swap bullets first. I find that makes the most difference. If I see some nodes but they are narrow in powder charge or speeds are super low I swap powders. I usually do a seating depth test once I have a good node identified. Load up the center of the node for powder charge and I run in .020" steps from the lands out to .1" jump. </p><p></p><p>I also agree that for many people a ladder or true ocw is the wrong way to develop a load, the rifle/shooter are likely not accurate enough and its doubtful that the person could interpret the results. Really you need a rifle/shooter that is capable of under 3/4moa very consistently. For those that are "advanced" shooters/ reloaders it can be a very effective way to build consistent loads.</p><p></p><p>Also I think many reloaders should forget statistics and the term "sd". Most people base "sd" On a low number of shots, to be meaningful you need many more data points in a population. Most times I see 5 shots and an sd number given. Thats about 30 short of where stats start to make decent confidence limits and the numbers can actually be used.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LongBomber, post: 1528474, member: 14435"] Nope didn't miss your point, I actually agree that there are combinations that will not build a satisfactory load in a specific rifle. Especially so in most factory rifles. A custom rifle may be able to get almost any bullet to 1/2moa with load development, but from the factory guns I had there are bullets that will never be better than 1 1/2. I do a lot of tinkering, I shoot twice a week normally and am always playing with something. In the ladder tests I have run if clear results are not showing up on a paper target (usually shot at 500y) then I swap bullets first. I find that makes the most difference. If I see some nodes but they are narrow in powder charge or speeds are super low I swap powders. I usually do a seating depth test once I have a good node identified. Load up the center of the node for powder charge and I run in .020" steps from the lands out to .1" jump. I also agree that for many people a ladder or true ocw is the wrong way to develop a load, the rifle/shooter are likely not accurate enough and its doubtful that the person could interpret the results. Really you need a rifle/shooter that is capable of under 3/4moa very consistently. For those that are "advanced" shooters/ reloaders it can be a very effective way to build consistent loads. Also I think many reloaders should forget statistics and the term "sd". Most people base "sd" On a low number of shots, to be meaningful you need many more data points in a population. Most times I see 5 shots and an sd number given. Thats about 30 short of where stats start to make decent confidence limits and the numbers can actually be used. [/QUOTE]
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