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ladder test? does it work
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<blockquote data-quote="milanuk" data-source="post: 146463" data-attributes="member: 376"><p>'Calm down'?!? From what I can see, you're the one who gets on a soap box ranting and raving every time anyone even mentions the words 'ladder test'. It's like an open sore with you... you just have to keep pickin' at it.</p><p></p><p>For what it's worth... I do agree with you on a few points. The classic ladder test makes some assumptions about the shooter and his gear (as far as capabilities, etc.) that may not be true for everyone. It tends to ignore certain things such as barrel heating/fouling (something Dan Newberry's OCW method attempts to redress). And finally, it makes huge assumptions about the tendency of a given gun/load to behave in a predictable way as far as nodes, going so far as to trust one round per increment as an indicator of that gun/load's behavior. Statistically, a sample size of one is pretty unsound, no doubt about it.</p><p></p><p>All that aside... the method works. Not for everybody, and not with every gun, but it usually works. Given a reasonable idea of where to look, a shooter can find a sweet spot in relatively short order, fine tune the load, and be about their business, whether that be practicing or hunting or competing, in fairly short order. If a person is really concerned about statistical sample size... once you have what looks like a winner of a load, *then* go thru and load up 10 or 20 and verify that it performs the way you want. That's just plain common sense no matter how you find the load in the first place.</p><p></p><p>Anywho, sorry about the counter-rant, but I just get vexed watching someone try to convince the world that something <em>shouldn't</em> work... when it usually <u>does</u>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="milanuk, post: 146463, member: 376"] 'Calm down'?!? From what I can see, you're the one who gets on a soap box ranting and raving every time anyone even mentions the words 'ladder test'. It's like an open sore with you... you just have to keep pickin' at it. For what it's worth... I do agree with you on a few points. The classic ladder test makes some assumptions about the shooter and his gear (as far as capabilities, etc.) that may not be true for everyone. It tends to ignore certain things such as barrel heating/fouling (something Dan Newberry's OCW method attempts to redress). And finally, it makes huge assumptions about the tendency of a given gun/load to behave in a predictable way as far as nodes, going so far as to trust one round per increment as an indicator of that gun/load's behavior. Statistically, a sample size of one is pretty unsound, no doubt about it. All that aside... the method works. Not for everybody, and not with every gun, but it usually works. Given a reasonable idea of where to look, a shooter can find a sweet spot in relatively short order, fine tune the load, and be about their business, whether that be practicing or hunting or competing, in fairly short order. If a person is really concerned about statistical sample size... once you have what looks like a winner of a load, *then* go thru and load up 10 or 20 and verify that it performs the way you want. That's just plain common sense no matter how you find the load in the first place. Anywho, sorry about the counter-rant, but I just get vexed watching someone try to convince the world that something [i]shouldn't[/i] work... when it usually <u>does</u>. [/QUOTE]
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