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ladder test? does it work
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<blockquote data-quote="BountyHunter" data-source="post: 146445" data-attributes="member: 12"><p>Catshooter</p><p></p><p>I have no idea where you got the idea that if a barrel did not vibrate "someone" said that it would shoot little groups. I have never seen that said anywhere about a ladder.</p><p></p><p>Just where and who said that?</p><p></p><p>Your disagreements are based on wild assumptions and assumes that the shooter does not apply a modicum of common sense.</p><p></p><p>For example the vibration thing and the 1 1/4 MOA refer with POI shift.</p><p></p><p>First off IF my gun will only shoot 1 1/4" groups, forget the ladder. Hell, forget any technique because they all do not work equally well! </p><p></p><p>IF you are shooting 1 1/4" guns, then buy a $10 hand lee loader and plastic dippers and slap em together. Doubt you will do any worse. Just slap something together that does not blow up the gun.</p><p></p><p>You have to have a gun capable of shootin at least .5MOA or you are correct you cannot tell anything. but surprise surprise, that is with any technique. You have to shoot in no wind conditions, you have to be capable of shooting tight groups. You have to understand enough about reloading, ie what probably will work or not to be able to put together reasonably accurate ladder loads to test. If you cannot do all that, then Federal Premium factory is the answer.</p><p></p><p>You can and will change the barrel harmonics with any change of components and there is no magic MV area.</p><p></p><p>I have never seen a match grade gun that could not use the ladder to extremely quickly and accurately put together a top notch load.</p><p></p><p>When my guns shoot sub 1" groups at 300 or 400 with the initial ladder loads, the technique works. Fine tuning the seathing depth and neck tension will normally take them down much further.</p><p></p><p>I have taken guns from the gunsmith shop after building, broke in one night, initial ladder the next (did not have time for neck tension and seating depth workup) and then went to match the next day and won state championships.</p><p></p><p>IF you have a accurate gun and can shoot, then the ladder along with a decent chrono will give a very accurate load IF that combo of components is capable of it. </p><p></p><p>BH</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BountyHunter, post: 146445, member: 12"] Catshooter I have no idea where you got the idea that if a barrel did not vibrate "someone" said that it would shoot little groups. I have never seen that said anywhere about a ladder. Just where and who said that? Your disagreements are based on wild assumptions and assumes that the shooter does not apply a modicum of common sense. For example the vibration thing and the 1 1/4 MOA refer with POI shift. First off IF my gun will only shoot 1 1/4" groups, forget the ladder. Hell, forget any technique because they all do not work equally well! IF you are shooting 1 1/4" guns, then buy a $10 hand lee loader and plastic dippers and slap em together. Doubt you will do any worse. Just slap something together that does not blow up the gun. You have to have a gun capable of shootin at least .5MOA or you are correct you cannot tell anything. but surprise surprise, that is with any technique. You have to shoot in no wind conditions, you have to be capable of shooting tight groups. You have to understand enough about reloading, ie what probably will work or not to be able to put together reasonably accurate ladder loads to test. If you cannot do all that, then Federal Premium factory is the answer. You can and will change the barrel harmonics with any change of components and there is no magic MV area. I have never seen a match grade gun that could not use the ladder to extremely quickly and accurately put together a top notch load. When my guns shoot sub 1" groups at 300 or 400 with the initial ladder loads, the technique works. Fine tuning the seathing depth and neck tension will normally take them down much further. I have taken guns from the gunsmith shop after building, broke in one night, initial ladder the next (did not have time for neck tension and seating depth workup) and then went to match the next day and won state championships. IF you have a accurate gun and can shoot, then the ladder along with a decent chrono will give a very accurate load IF that combo of components is capable of it. BH [/QUOTE]
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