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<blockquote data-quote="wpwarren" data-source="post: 992963" data-attributes="member: 73994"><p>Here is my take on rigid vs. traditional internal frame packs pros and cons</p><p></p><p>Rigid (external frame or hybrid frame pack): I would include the most of the kuiu and kifaru packs in this category as well as the traditional external frame packs. They have some sort of solid frame that a bag attaches to.</p><p></p><p>Pros:</p><p>1. Can carry a lot of weight. The frame will flex less than the aluminum or carbon stays in a internal frame allowing you to carry more weight without the pack deforming and being uncomfortable</p><p>2. It is often easy to change bags or add additional bags on without jeopardizing the comfort of the suspension. This is great for hunting as you can pack in a larger bag and hunt out of a smaller one.</p><p>3. Kind of the same as the last, but externals usually allow you to add more weight higher up than internals. This is huge as it is way more comfortable to carry a pack loaded this way.</p><p>4. Rigid packs almost always do a better job of lifting the weight off of your shoulders and transferring it to your waste allowing you to comfortably carry more</p><p>5. Many of these packs move the bag farther from you back allowing more airflow and making them cooler.</p><p></p><p>Cons:</p><p>1. These pack often sit very high making it hard to move through low hanging trees quietly. This is not always the case though</p><p>2. While also not always true many of these are much wider also making it hard to hunt quietly</p><p>3. The extra material adds weight although hybrid designs like kuiu and kifaru can be very light. </p><p>4. The extra rigidity can make it difficult to turn at the torso and look around. A good properly adjusted suspension system negates most of this</p><p></p><p>Internal frame:</p><p></p><p>These have an internal frame sheet or stays (usually aluminum or carbon fiber) that add rigidity to the pack.</p><p></p><p>Pros: Often lighter and more manueverable</p><p></p><p>Cons: many lack sufficient rigidity for carrying truly heavy loads. These usually are just fine for 40-60 pounds but suffer above this.</p><p></p><p>Frameless packs</p><p></p><p>These packs have nothing to stiffen them. They can be light and maneuverable, but with out the rigidity they lack the ability to lift any weight off of your shoulders. These are great for day packs when you don't need to haul out meat but suck to carry more than 20 pounds with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wpwarren, post: 992963, member: 73994"] Here is my take on rigid vs. traditional internal frame packs pros and cons Rigid (external frame or hybrid frame pack): I would include the most of the kuiu and kifaru packs in this category as well as the traditional external frame packs. They have some sort of solid frame that a bag attaches to. Pros: 1. Can carry a lot of weight. The frame will flex less than the aluminum or carbon stays in a internal frame allowing you to carry more weight without the pack deforming and being uncomfortable 2. It is often easy to change bags or add additional bags on without jeopardizing the comfort of the suspension. This is great for hunting as you can pack in a larger bag and hunt out of a smaller one. 3. Kind of the same as the last, but externals usually allow you to add more weight higher up than internals. This is huge as it is way more comfortable to carry a pack loaded this way. 4. Rigid packs almost always do a better job of lifting the weight off of your shoulders and transferring it to your waste allowing you to comfortably carry more 5. Many of these packs move the bag farther from you back allowing more airflow and making them cooler. Cons: 1. These pack often sit very high making it hard to move through low hanging trees quietly. This is not always the case though 2. While also not always true many of these are much wider also making it hard to hunt quietly 3. The extra material adds weight although hybrid designs like kuiu and kifaru can be very light. 4. The extra rigidity can make it difficult to turn at the torso and look around. A good properly adjusted suspension system negates most of this Internal frame: These have an internal frame sheet or stays (usually aluminum or carbon fiber) that add rigidity to the pack. Pros: Often lighter and more manueverable Cons: many lack sufficient rigidity for carrying truly heavy loads. These usually are just fine for 40-60 pounds but suffer above this. Frameless packs These packs have nothing to stiffen them. They can be light and maneuverable, but with out the rigidity they lack the ability to lift any weight off of your shoulders. These are great for day packs when you don't need to haul out meat but suck to carry more than 20 pounds with. [/QUOTE]
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