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Kirby Allen’s “no load development” load development method.
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<blockquote data-quote="esshup" data-source="post: 698248" data-attributes="member: 11101"><p>Kirby:</p><p> </p><p>I've only shot factory rifles, and have done a LOT of load development to get them to shoot sub MOA, but I was only shooting to 200 Yds at the most. </p><p> </p><p>Then I made a trip to Montana. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p> </p><p>THAT was an eye opening experience! What sold me right off the bat was able to shoot combined 1/2 MOA with 3 different rifles that I've never shot before, and being able to do it off of a shooting bench in the bed of a pickup truck.</p><p> </p><p>Shooting the closer target with your 7mm AM, hitting it with the first 2 shots and having both shots within 2.5" of each other in the center of the target was amazing to me. We both saw the target swing, and heard the hit, but couldn't see where the bullets hit even tho the majority of the target was painted white (you had a dab of black paint in the center)</p><p> </p><p>The difference between a full custom gun and a factory gun is night and day. Instead of spending days and days, going thru bullet after bullet, trying different powders, I can go to one bullet, one powder and get the accuracy that I'm looking for. </p><p> </p><p>I can honestly say that I have only shot one factory rifle that shot consistently 1/2 moa using factory ammo, from 100 yds to 800 yds, and that was a FN SPR using FGM Match ammo. The group opened up to 4" wide by 10.5" tall at 1K, but I think that was due to barrel heat creating some mirage (10x fat reticle scope didn't help matters either). It was witnessed, and I do have pictures of the groups, but that's not the norm from what I've seen from factory rifles.</p><p> </p><p>Everybody that's shot the 7mm AM that you built can't believe what it can do. Even guys that have never shot past 100 Yds were able to hit steel at 1K on their first shot and were blown away that they could do it. They have been shooting factory rifles and thought that they were just poor shots.</p><p> </p><p>Granted, custom gun accuracy isn't needed for most hunters shooting at 100 yds, or even at 300 yds, but that's not why we're here now, is it? There's guys that can't shoot either, and they are O.K. with that. A buddy of mine on a good day of shooting can't shoot better than a 2" group at 100 yds from the bench. He's happy going hunting whitetails with a gun that he can group 4" at 100 Yds from a rest, from a bench. I don't think he's ever killed a deer that was past 100 Yds.</p><p> </p><p>LR hunting isn't for everyone, and everyone's trigger squeezing ability is different.</p><p> </p><p>If I could afford it, every gun that I own would be a full custom gun, but I don't have deep enough pockets, so I have to make do with a few. The other custom guns that I have were built on a factory gun platform, and the level of accuracy isn't in the same ballpark as Kirby's work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="esshup, post: 698248, member: 11101"] Kirby: I've only shot factory rifles, and have done a LOT of load development to get them to shoot sub MOA, but I was only shooting to 200 Yds at the most. Then I made a trip to Montana. :D THAT was an eye opening experience! What sold me right off the bat was able to shoot combined 1/2 MOA with 3 different rifles that I've never shot before, and being able to do it off of a shooting bench in the bed of a pickup truck. Shooting the closer target with your 7mm AM, hitting it with the first 2 shots and having both shots within 2.5" of each other in the center of the target was amazing to me. We both saw the target swing, and heard the hit, but couldn't see where the bullets hit even tho the majority of the target was painted white (you had a dab of black paint in the center) The difference between a full custom gun and a factory gun is night and day. Instead of spending days and days, going thru bullet after bullet, trying different powders, I can go to one bullet, one powder and get the accuracy that I'm looking for. I can honestly say that I have only shot one factory rifle that shot consistently 1/2 moa using factory ammo, from 100 yds to 800 yds, and that was a FN SPR using FGM Match ammo. The group opened up to 4" wide by 10.5" tall at 1K, but I think that was due to barrel heat creating some mirage (10x fat reticle scope didn't help matters either). It was witnessed, and I do have pictures of the groups, but that's not the norm from what I've seen from factory rifles. Everybody that's shot the 7mm AM that you built can't believe what it can do. Even guys that have never shot past 100 Yds were able to hit steel at 1K on their first shot and were blown away that they could do it. They have been shooting factory rifles and thought that they were just poor shots. Granted, custom gun accuracy isn't needed for most hunters shooting at 100 yds, or even at 300 yds, but that's not why we're here now, is it? There's guys that can't shoot either, and they are O.K. with that. A buddy of mine on a good day of shooting can't shoot better than a 2" group at 100 yds from the bench. He's happy going hunting whitetails with a gun that he can group 4" at 100 Yds from a rest, from a bench. I don't think he's ever killed a deer that was past 100 Yds. LR hunting isn't for everyone, and everyone's trigger squeezing ability is different. If I could afford it, every gun that I own would be a full custom gun, but I don't have deep enough pockets, so I have to make do with a few. The other custom guns that I have were built on a factory gun platform, and the level of accuracy isn't in the same ballpark as Kirby's work. [/QUOTE]
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