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<blockquote data-quote="nksmfamjp" data-source="post: 2940230" data-attributes="member: 1951"><p>This is like 12 yrs old, but I'm going to answer the OP. First, I think JE Custom(RIP) answered it pretty well.</p><p></p><p>First, IMHO, adding a better trigger is not a magic lamp for rifle groups. Off a solid benchrest with a 0.75-1.5 MOA rifle, a 3lb trigger with a bit of creep to a 1lb Jewell with no creep is not a magic lamp. I find I can shoot a 3-3.5lb factory trigger pretty well off a benchrest.</p><p></p><p>What I am buying when stepping to a Jewell or similar is improved leverage with the 3 lever designs, improved friction control and more of a safe adjustability range.</p><p></p><p>Some triggers like the XPR MOA trigger or std M70 trigger seem like they can be adjusted super light, but this often comes at the expense of turning down spring pressures to the point where reset position can be inconsistent. This happened on my XPR. It seemed like the adjustment was good. I followed the manual. Then I looked through the sear peek hole to see the sear was not resetting fully. Of course I emailed Winchester to tell them about their issue….to which I received no response. I adjusted it until sear reset was consistent and jar off was acceptable. This is not limited to Winchester. I have experienced the same with several factory and custom triggers. It is just a mechanical issue. No spring pressure equals no reset consistency.</p><p></p><p>On a Jewell, these parts are so well made and friction is so low, I find I have to dial some creep back in so it feels safe on a hunting rifle! It is actually hard to feel creep, even when it is in there. These are very good triggers. This is possible because static friction is higher than sliding friction. So, in a good trigger, you have good sear engagement, and a mechanical system that maximizes the difference between static and sliding friction.</p><p></p><p>Think about an AR15 trigger. It breaks, then drags on the sear to release. If the sear surface were short enough, you wouldn't feel that drag. AR's have lots of engagement as a countermeasure to recoil bounce. That is why Geissle 2 stage triggers are really just a trick to make to think the sear release is crisp!</p><p></p><p>The other amazing thing about Jewell is that even at 1.5oz, their triggers can be very safe. Pulling the trigger still fires the gun, but they are under enough spring pressure that they don't jar off. I can barely touch it on my 6PPC, but testing jar off is always acceptable.</p><p></p><p>What you are really buying is confidence in semi-stable shooting positions. Shoot far enough and there is wobble, Better triggers make this feel more consistent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nksmfamjp, post: 2940230, member: 1951"] This is like 12 yrs old, but I'm going to answer the OP. First, I think JE Custom(RIP) answered it pretty well. First, IMHO, adding a better trigger is not a magic lamp for rifle groups. Off a solid benchrest with a 0.75-1.5 MOA rifle, a 3lb trigger with a bit of creep to a 1lb Jewell with no creep is not a magic lamp. I find I can shoot a 3-3.5lb factory trigger pretty well off a benchrest. What I am buying when stepping to a Jewell or similar is improved leverage with the 3 lever designs, improved friction control and more of a safe adjustability range. Some triggers like the XPR MOA trigger or std M70 trigger seem like they can be adjusted super light, but this often comes at the expense of turning down spring pressures to the point where reset position can be inconsistent. This happened on my XPR. It seemed like the adjustment was good. I followed the manual. Then I looked through the sear peek hole to see the sear was not resetting fully. Of course I emailed Winchester to tell them about their issue….to which I received no response. I adjusted it until sear reset was consistent and jar off was acceptable. This is not limited to Winchester. I have experienced the same with several factory and custom triggers. It is just a mechanical issue. No spring pressure equals no reset consistency. On a Jewell, these parts are so well made and friction is so low, I find I have to dial some creep back in so it feels safe on a hunting rifle! It is actually hard to feel creep, even when it is in there. These are very good triggers. This is possible because static friction is higher than sliding friction. So, in a good trigger, you have good sear engagement, and a mechanical system that maximizes the difference between static and sliding friction. Think about an AR15 trigger. It breaks, then drags on the sear to release. If the sear surface were short enough, you wouldn't feel that drag. AR's have lots of engagement as a countermeasure to recoil bounce. That is why Geissle 2 stage triggers are really just a trick to make to think the sear release is crisp! The other amazing thing about Jewell is that even at 1.5oz, their triggers can be very safe. Pulling the trigger still fires the gun, but they are under enough spring pressure that they don't jar off. I can barely touch it on my 6PPC, but testing jar off is always acceptable. What you are really buying is confidence in semi-stable shooting positions. Shoot far enough and there is wobble, Better triggers make this feel more consistent. [/QUOTE]
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