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Is Tangent Theta worth the $ over NF?
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<blockquote data-quote="KY_Windage" data-source="post: 1936352" data-attributes="member: 108082"><p>I used to do optic resolution tests like that myself. Swarovski glass is great, too. However, I quit when I got my first NF with ED glass in it because their resolution is so good it does not matter whether something else is slightly better or not -- I will never need anything better, whether hunting or shooting at the .5 moa X-ring in F-Class.</p><p></p><p>But the glass is only one aspect of a great scope, and often not the most important one. ATACR and Competition ED glass is clearly superior to NF NXS, NX8, SHV, BR, etc., but not enough to matter (almost ever) in actual use. While I love looking through NF ED glass, I don't feel I ever need it. I buy ATACR's for other features and improvements more than for the glass.</p><p></p><p>Reticle/turret design is extremely important, as is reliablity/durability. And, while I seldom sell a scope, re-sale value is important. NF offers a large selection of reticles plus your choice of SFP/FFP in the ATACRS. Peruse the many "SFP vs. FFP" threads on the big forums and it will quickly become obvious that I am not the only one who prefers SFP for hunting. Nearly all serious LR bench and F-Class shooters prefer SFP, because you can get finer reticles in SFP, and that is extremely important in those disciplines. To me FFP is preferable for PRS games and that is it. However, if a guy prefers FFP for hunting or anything else, he can get it in NF. (Sorry if I'm being too "aggressive" for any of the crybabies here. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> )</p><p></p><p>TT offers no SFP option, but even assuming you will be delighted with max 25x or 15x and FFP, I have no idea how robust they are. I know it took NF a long time to work the bugs out of their designs. I also know that the guys shooting 50 cal's say there is only one scope that will hold up to that abuse for an extended time, and it is NF. Has anyone ever shot a TT on a 50? I don't know, but I see NF on 50's all the time.</p><p></p><p>There is a lively market for used NF's. Indeed, I have bought most of mine used, and if you pay retail you are going to lose money when you resell that scope. But at least there is a lively market for NF's, while the market for the few used TT's I've seen listed on various forums seems dead, or nearly so. It looks to me like you would have to cut the price drastically to sell one, unless you got lucky.</p><p></p><p>And, last but not least, if something is a push, I prefer Idaho's gun-rights politics over Canada's. And it seems to me that TT is at best a push over the high-end NF's. YMMV</p><p></p><p>If comparing depth of field and/or parallax "finikiness" be sure you do it side-by-side under identical light conditions, because those things vary greatly according to light. On a bright sunny day practically everywhere I turn my parallax it looks focused. In low light they are all finiky. Ditto for DoF, which also must be compared at the same power. In every scope DoF is huge at low power, small at high power.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KY_Windage, post: 1936352, member: 108082"] I used to do optic resolution tests like that myself. Swarovski glass is great, too. However, I quit when I got my first NF with ED glass in it because their resolution is so good it does not matter whether something else is slightly better or not -- I will never need anything better, whether hunting or shooting at the .5 moa X-ring in F-Class. But the glass is only one aspect of a great scope, and often not the most important one. ATACR and Competition ED glass is clearly superior to NF NXS, NX8, SHV, BR, etc., but not enough to matter (almost ever) in actual use. While I love looking through NF ED glass, I don't feel I ever need it. I buy ATACR's for other features and improvements more than for the glass. Reticle/turret design is extremely important, as is reliablity/durability. And, while I seldom sell a scope, re-sale value is important. NF offers a large selection of reticles plus your choice of SFP/FFP in the ATACRS. Peruse the many "SFP vs. FFP" threads on the big forums and it will quickly become obvious that I am not the only one who prefers SFP for hunting. Nearly all serious LR bench and F-Class shooters prefer SFP, because you can get finer reticles in SFP, and that is extremely important in those disciplines. To me FFP is preferable for PRS games and that is it. However, if a guy prefers FFP for hunting or anything else, he can get it in NF. (Sorry if I'm being too "aggressive" for any of the crybabies here. :rolleyes: ) TT offers no SFP option, but even assuming you will be delighted with max 25x or 15x and FFP, I have no idea how robust they are. I know it took NF a long time to work the bugs out of their designs. I also know that the guys shooting 50 cal's say there is only one scope that will hold up to that abuse for an extended time, and it is NF. Has anyone ever shot a TT on a 50? I don't know, but I see NF on 50's all the time. There is a lively market for used NF's. Indeed, I have bought most of mine used, and if you pay retail you are going to lose money when you resell that scope. But at least there is a lively market for NF's, while the market for the few used TT's I've seen listed on various forums seems dead, or nearly so. It looks to me like you would have to cut the price drastically to sell one, unless you got lucky. And, last but not least, if something is a push, I prefer Idaho's gun-rights politics over Canada's. And it seems to me that TT is at best a push over the high-end NF's. YMMV If comparing depth of field and/or parallax "finikiness" be sure you do it side-by-side under identical light conditions, because those things vary greatly according to light. On a bright sunny day practically everywhere I turn my parallax it looks focused. In low light they are all finiky. Ditto for DoF, which also must be compared at the same power. In every scope DoF is huge at low power, small at high power. [/QUOTE]
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