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Is Bullet Expansion Necessary for Effecive Killing of Game
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<blockquote data-quote="Ridge Runner" data-source="post: 351251" data-attributes="member: 951"><p>well I haven't been at the long range game as long as most of you, actualy I started in 1981, but didn't do very well at it for the first 12-15 years.</p><p>all of my big game experience has been on whitetails and black bear, my first years of hunting we did the party hunting deer driving methods, shots were close at all angles most of the time deer were running full blast by when the shot was taken.</p><p> My weapon of choice was the rem. 760 in 270 win with a 4X redfield widefield. Most of the deer shot with the traditional deer load (130 gr of some flavor) would run unless the spine was hit.</p><p> Now our deer don't run large they average 90-140#, the absolute most devistating bullet I ever used was a hornady 110 gr hp, it seemed that no matter where they were hit, shoulder, ribs, flank, no matter anywhere in front of the hams and they just went dishrag limp and piled up. they seldom ever exited, I remember only one that had an exit hole, that buck was shot behind the shoulder and a piece of the jacket came out the top of the back between the shoulders.</p><p></p><p>I even used a 350 rem. mag for a few years, never knocked a deer off his feet with it, like the 6mm's, 25's, and the 270's. Don't get me wrong, I've killed a bunch of deer dead at long range but I've never saw them just melt down at beyond 300 yards like they did with those 110 gr hp's, </p><p>This tells me that velocity as well as expansion makes for more effective killing of game at long range.</p><p></p><p> I also used a specialy pistol for awhile, shooting a 120 gr ssp at about 2600 fps, I never saw that kind of damage with anything, hold for a double lung shot and the deer were a mass of jelly from hams to shoulders. no deer ever took over 1 step after absorbing a ssp</p><p> However my last LR hunt of '09, we took 5 deer with the 160 accubonds, ranges were 520, 520, 575, 787, and 1005 yards, all the exit holes were about the same size.</p><p>RR</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ridge Runner, post: 351251, member: 951"] well I haven't been at the long range game as long as most of you, actualy I started in 1981, but didn't do very well at it for the first 12-15 years. all of my big game experience has been on whitetails and black bear, my first years of hunting we did the party hunting deer driving methods, shots were close at all angles most of the time deer were running full blast by when the shot was taken. My weapon of choice was the rem. 760 in 270 win with a 4X redfield widefield. Most of the deer shot with the traditional deer load (130 gr of some flavor) would run unless the spine was hit. Now our deer don't run large they average 90-140#, the absolute most devistating bullet I ever used was a hornady 110 gr hp, it seemed that no matter where they were hit, shoulder, ribs, flank, no matter anywhere in front of the hams and they just went dishrag limp and piled up. they seldom ever exited, I remember only one that had an exit hole, that buck was shot behind the shoulder and a piece of the jacket came out the top of the back between the shoulders. I even used a 350 rem. mag for a few years, never knocked a deer off his feet with it, like the 6mm's, 25's, and the 270's. Don't get me wrong, I've killed a bunch of deer dead at long range but I've never saw them just melt down at beyond 300 yards like they did with those 110 gr hp's, This tells me that velocity as well as expansion makes for more effective killing of game at long range. I also used a specialy pistol for awhile, shooting a 120 gr ssp at about 2600 fps, I never saw that kind of damage with anything, hold for a double lung shot and the deer were a mass of jelly from hams to shoulders. no deer ever took over 1 step after absorbing a ssp However my last LR hunt of '09, we took 5 deer with the 160 accubonds, ranges were 520, 520, 575, 787, and 1005 yards, all the exit holes were about the same size. RR [/QUOTE]
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