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Is Bullet Expansion Necessary for Effecive Killing of Game
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<blockquote data-quote="mike33" data-source="post: 350434" data-attributes="member: 14195"><p>I hope im not jumping from the thread but have read some interesting posts and would like feedback from my question. This is new to me ( larger bullets ) im an eastern whitetail hunter and have mainly used my whole life for deer what most would say is varmiant bullets. My only rifles has been 25's shooting 100 gr. ( vel. 3500-3600 ) 87 gr. ( vel.- 3400 ) 250 ackly, 25-284, and 257 whby. Also 223 / 50 grain hornady sx 3200 fps. Hunting 3 states and helping with crop damage i have killed a lot of deer and mainly 1 shot kills. Mostly shoulder shots. I heard when i wass young high velocity is needed for quick kills. Most did not exit but had devasting results of quick kills. I used to laugh at a lot of hunters in my area there main gun was a30-06 pump 180 gr. round nose, most of the time they became good trackers. I have killed many deer with my 223 with the bullet listed good 1 shot quick kills and you better get the hide off quick for the blood clotting mess that you would have. Now most of these shots was under 200 yards. What is the reason for these results, none of these was a high bc or a bullet ever discussed? Question # 2, at 49 years old i got the chance to go to Co. last fall on my first elk hunt. A friend who invited me that i respect so much has only huunted with a 6mmx 284. This guy since 1978 has taken 22 bull elk with this gun and only shoots a 100 gr. bullet. Now he is one of the best off hand shooters i have ever seen. His theroy is high vel. hydro-static shock , bullet fragmintation staying inside does the job. Now his longest shot was 750 yards and has only lost one. This year i was with him taking one hell of a 6x7 at 640 yards walking, he didnt allow enough windage and gut shot it twice. But he said itwasent pretty but dead is dead this is how well this 6mm performs killing this elk with a poor placed shot. He also told me guys go out and miss or cripple an animal they go the wrong way buying a biger gun. Also he claims the bigger bullets dont have the velocity to open up and do the job. Now i have been impressed here and started my build of a 338 edge going with the 300 smk's. However its hard to argue with a man that has 22 elk under his belt. Hope i stayed in bounds of the thread but find it very interesting. Can i have some comments on this.</p><p> Mike</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mike33, post: 350434, member: 14195"] I hope im not jumping from the thread but have read some interesting posts and would like feedback from my question. This is new to me ( larger bullets ) im an eastern whitetail hunter and have mainly used my whole life for deer what most would say is varmiant bullets. My only rifles has been 25's shooting 100 gr. ( vel. 3500-3600 ) 87 gr. ( vel.- 3400 ) 250 ackly, 25-284, and 257 whby. Also 223 / 50 grain hornady sx 3200 fps. Hunting 3 states and helping with crop damage i have killed a lot of deer and mainly 1 shot kills. Mostly shoulder shots. I heard when i wass young high velocity is needed for quick kills. Most did not exit but had devasting results of quick kills. I used to laugh at a lot of hunters in my area there main gun was a30-06 pump 180 gr. round nose, most of the time they became good trackers. I have killed many deer with my 223 with the bullet listed good 1 shot quick kills and you better get the hide off quick for the blood clotting mess that you would have. Now most of these shots was under 200 yards. What is the reason for these results, none of these was a high bc or a bullet ever discussed? Question # 2, at 49 years old i got the chance to go to Co. last fall on my first elk hunt. A friend who invited me that i respect so much has only huunted with a 6mmx 284. This guy since 1978 has taken 22 bull elk with this gun and only shoots a 100 gr. bullet. Now he is one of the best off hand shooters i have ever seen. His theroy is high vel. hydro-static shock , bullet fragmintation staying inside does the job. Now his longest shot was 750 yards and has only lost one. This year i was with him taking one hell of a 6x7 at 640 yards walking, he didnt allow enough windage and gut shot it twice. But he said itwasent pretty but dead is dead this is how well this 6mm performs killing this elk with a poor placed shot. He also told me guys go out and miss or cripple an animal they go the wrong way buying a biger gun. Also he claims the bigger bullets dont have the velocity to open up and do the job. Now i have been impressed here and started my build of a 338 edge going with the 300 smk's. However its hard to argue with a man that has 22 elk under his belt. Hope i stayed in bounds of the thread but find it very interesting. Can i have some comments on this. Mike [/QUOTE]
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