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Is an ELD-M basically just a tipped berger?
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<blockquote data-quote="richhymas" data-source="post: 2441672" data-attributes="member: 43504"><p>I will weigh in on elk. I have killed several game with both. I would not hunt elk sized game with the 225 ELD-M. This past fall I hit an elk in the shoulder. I hit it hard and we trailed it in the snow for well over a mile. The animal bedded 5-6 times over that mile and we found 3 chunks of shoulder bone bigger than a quarter but intimately the blood dried up and the animal started going up hill where there was no snow and we never recovered it. 200 yard impact distance out of a 300 PRC. My son shot a cow broadside in the crease and she went 20 yards, but there was no exit. I also shot a bull im the back of the head/base of neck. DRT but no exit. </p><p></p><p>Now for my Berger experience: I shot a moose with a 215 Berger. DRT at 100 yards. No exit. Huge 7' Black bear in the kidney area from 300 yards- Dead in less than 100 yards with caliber sized exit. Mule deer buck at 600 yards- went through both humerus and the heart with golf ball sized exit. DRT. The only bad experience was a cow elk at 600. Hit high of the spine. She went down like she was spined but got back up and ran away when we approached. Minimal blood even in the snow and she went miles and miles up hill. That was clearly operator error/poor point of impact. All of these were 215 bergers out of a 300 win mag. Several more unremarkable kills with the 215 Berger. </p><p></p><p>In short, I would still be careful with the bergers at close range. Try to not hit heavy bone or steep impact angles on heavy game, but out past 500 yards you will get controlled expansion with a devistating wound channel and good chance of exit. But with the ELD-M they are way to soft for anything bigger or tougher than a mule deer. I will no longer hunt with them. </p><p></p><p>If you think the majority of your shots will be inside 500 yards, I am a big fan of the Scirocco II. Excellent terminal performance and deep penetration but poor ballistic coefficient.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="richhymas, post: 2441672, member: 43504"] I will weigh in on elk. I have killed several game with both. I would not hunt elk sized game with the 225 ELD-M. This past fall I hit an elk in the shoulder. I hit it hard and we trailed it in the snow for well over a mile. The animal bedded 5-6 times over that mile and we found 3 chunks of shoulder bone bigger than a quarter but intimately the blood dried up and the animal started going up hill where there was no snow and we never recovered it. 200 yard impact distance out of a 300 PRC. My son shot a cow broadside in the crease and she went 20 yards, but there was no exit. I also shot a bull im the back of the head/base of neck. DRT but no exit. Now for my Berger experience: I shot a moose with a 215 Berger. DRT at 100 yards. No exit. Huge 7’ Black bear in the kidney area from 300 yards- Dead in less than 100 yards with caliber sized exit. Mule deer buck at 600 yards- went through both humerus and the heart with golf ball sized exit. DRT. The only bad experience was a cow elk at 600. Hit high of the spine. She went down like she was spined but got back up and ran away when we approached. Minimal blood even in the snow and she went miles and miles up hill. That was clearly operator error/poor point of impact. All of these were 215 bergers out of a 300 win mag. Several more unremarkable kills with the 215 Berger. In short, I would still be careful with the bergers at close range. Try to not hit heavy bone or steep impact angles on heavy game, but out past 500 yards you will get controlled expansion with a devistating wound channel and good chance of exit. But with the ELD-M they are way to soft for anything bigger or tougher than a mule deer. I will no longer hunt with them. If you think the majority of your shots will be inside 500 yards, I am a big fan of the Scirocco II. Excellent terminal performance and deep penetration but poor ballistic coefficient. [/QUOTE]
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