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<blockquote data-quote="Ian M" data-source="post: 182757" data-attributes="member: 25"><p>I believe many shooters, not sure if I would use the word hunters, miss the boat completely as to just why inlines are so popular. I have fast-twist 1-28 inch barrels for my Hawkens rifles that handle sabots, maxi's or whatever with better accuracy than the original slow twist bores. I can get the same velocity from the Hawkins rifles as I get from the inlines with similar charges, I just don't don't have the more moisture-proof 209 primers for ignition.</p><p></p><p>The big difference is the similarity of the inline to centerfire rifle handling - the stocks are designed for scope use. So much attention is placed on the shiny new techy looking rifles but they still load from the muzzle, other than the Savage they are all limited to whatever velocity three fifty grain pellets will produce, they are easier to load and clean and they sell like crazy in handy blister packs that get the guy out hunting if he can follow instructions.</p><p></p><p>I can put a decent scope on one of my fast twist Hawkens and shoot as far and accurately as with any inline. My bullets will travel a hell of an arc but they will all travel the same arc and not infrequently hold two or three minutes out to 300 yards. That is good enough to kill a deer. The reason I can hold that accuracy is not the rifle, it is the scope. My longest kill to date was 343 yards with a 325 grain bullet and only 100 grains of powder. I held way over the critter using indicator marks on the reticle and he died on the spot. I had practiced a lot and knew exactly what my drops were in 50 yard increments with the markings in that particular scope. The rifle was one of the cheapest Knights ever made, had a short barrel and I was not getting topend velocities, but it shot very accurately and I practiced in wind so I knew where those big bullets flew.</p><p></p><p>I believe the days of the buckskinners have been pushed aside and forgotten by the guy who slaps down a Visa at Walmart and walks out with a CVA in a blister pack and heads to the range. This is the guy they have to design and implement seasons for because he is buying the tags. He does not give a rat's butt about the traditions and history of black powder, he just wants a few extra days to enjoy his sport and make meat. When that guy gets to the range he will probably sight the rifle in with minimum problems because the manufacturers have made the process so simple. Then he will hunt with it and with any luck kill a deer within a hundred yards or so. Many deer are dumb enough to let us get that close, that is why we kill so many with slug guns and muzzleloaders. He will shoot accurately enough to kill because of the scope that came mounted on the that super high tech inline which cost 169 dollars ready to go out the door, complete with a 4x40 scope. We all know that aint really a muzzleloader, right! Just look at the stainless steel and plastic and camo and sabots and pellets and shotgun primers - old Daniel Boone would be rollin in his grave if he saw all that technology. I bet old Daniel would swap away his flinter in a heartbeat after looking through a modern scope.</p><p></p><p>I hope the game agencies keep things simple and design seasons to manage their wildlife, not placate special interest groups who want it their way and no other.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ian M, post: 182757, member: 25"] I believe many shooters, not sure if I would use the word hunters, miss the boat completely as to just why inlines are so popular. I have fast-twist 1-28 inch barrels for my Hawkens rifles that handle sabots, maxi's or whatever with better accuracy than the original slow twist bores. I can get the same velocity from the Hawkins rifles as I get from the inlines with similar charges, I just don't don't have the more moisture-proof 209 primers for ignition. The big difference is the similarity of the inline to centerfire rifle handling - the stocks are designed for scope use. So much attention is placed on the shiny new techy looking rifles but they still load from the muzzle, other than the Savage they are all limited to whatever velocity three fifty grain pellets will produce, they are easier to load and clean and they sell like crazy in handy blister packs that get the guy out hunting if he can follow instructions. I can put a decent scope on one of my fast twist Hawkens and shoot as far and accurately as with any inline. My bullets will travel a hell of an arc but they will all travel the same arc and not infrequently hold two or three minutes out to 300 yards. That is good enough to kill a deer. The reason I can hold that accuracy is not the rifle, it is the scope. My longest kill to date was 343 yards with a 325 grain bullet and only 100 grains of powder. I held way over the critter using indicator marks on the reticle and he died on the spot. I had practiced a lot and knew exactly what my drops were in 50 yard increments with the markings in that particular scope. The rifle was one of the cheapest Knights ever made, had a short barrel and I was not getting topend velocities, but it shot very accurately and I practiced in wind so I knew where those big bullets flew. I believe the days of the buckskinners have been pushed aside and forgotten by the guy who slaps down a Visa at Walmart and walks out with a CVA in a blister pack and heads to the range. This is the guy they have to design and implement seasons for because he is buying the tags. He does not give a rat's butt about the traditions and history of black powder, he just wants a few extra days to enjoy his sport and make meat. When that guy gets to the range he will probably sight the rifle in with minimum problems because the manufacturers have made the process so simple. Then he will hunt with it and with any luck kill a deer within a hundred yards or so. Many deer are dumb enough to let us get that close, that is why we kill so many with slug guns and muzzleloaders. He will shoot accurately enough to kill because of the scope that came mounted on the that super high tech inline which cost 169 dollars ready to go out the door, complete with a 4x40 scope. We all know that aint really a muzzleloader, right! Just look at the stainless steel and plastic and camo and sabots and pellets and shotgun primers - old Daniel Boone would be rollin in his grave if he saw all that technology. I bet old Daniel would swap away his flinter in a heartbeat after looking through a modern scope. I hope the game agencies keep things simple and design seasons to manage their wildlife, not placate special interest groups who want it their way and no other. [/QUOTE]
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