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<blockquote data-quote="BountyHunter" data-source="post: 182362" data-attributes="member: 12"><p>I think most archers would disagree that elk are unfairly or ethically vulnerable and that they have an unfair advantage. Now how does archery hunting hurt the population if the quota for the area is lets say 100 tags with the anticipation of archery hunters taking 15 and that is what they take? Another gross misconception about another method not substantiated in a management plan, but a real perceived issue with that "other hunter is taking my elk" so lets get rid of him and his hunting method.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Well if we are to follow that logic, no one should be able to use a rifle with scope at anytime then. There is no disputing that it offers too much of an advantage. Only allowed hunting method is self bow and flint heads! Hmmm maybe that is too much of an advantage also. Someone tell me how an elk at 300 yards against a 300 Win Mag is at a more advantagous position than an elk against a bowhunter who must get them under 50 yards or a muzzleloader capable of only 200 yds shots? That is basically what was said when you look at it realistically. This is have to hear!</p><p> </p><p>Plus management plans are based on the total number killed not how killed. Plans take into consideration amounts killed in each season and quotas are set, time limits established to compensate and manage the total population. So how does the manner they die hurt the population? Total BS arguement that is used to cloud the real issue.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>No you said Disabled hunts are another special treatment/opportunitiy hunts that are allowed and sometimes they can even shoot from a vehicle. </p><p> </p><p>We have all kinds of special treatment and special opportunities in hunting programs, some require money for muzzleloaders and bows etc and you said are against them. I just named a few of the more popular ones. So yes, it is a fair analogy and I understand you now do not like how looks, but those are your words, not mine.</p><p> </p><p>It does not take a rocket scientest to read between the lines with people talking about "they do not like to compete with others" "this gives some other hunter an advantage against me" etc, blah blah etc. </p><p> </p><p>Bottom line is that everyone is basically talking about non-sensical regs in reality do nothing but give them their desired hunting method/time/low price etc, and yet limits others. This is not legitimate game management so stop trying to hide under that umbrella.</p><p> </p><p>Method has zero to to with management so stop trying to sugarcoat it. Method is only about personal whims.</p><p> </p><p>It is nothing more than about me getting "my elk/deer vs legitimate management interests", and they are trying to use all the BS arguements to sugar coat it.</p><p> </p><p>Sorry guys, but that is the facts and no way to twist it any other way. </p><p> </p><p>BH</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BountyHunter, post: 182362, member: 12"] I think most archers would disagree that elk are unfairly or ethically vulnerable and that they have an unfair advantage. Now how does archery hunting hurt the population if the quota for the area is lets say 100 tags with the anticipation of archery hunters taking 15 and that is what they take? Another gross misconception about another method not substantiated in a management plan, but a real perceived issue with that "other hunter is taking my elk" so lets get rid of him and his hunting method. Well if we are to follow that logic, no one should be able to use a rifle with scope at anytime then. There is no disputing that it offers too much of an advantage. Only allowed hunting method is self bow and flint heads! Hmmm maybe that is too much of an advantage also. Someone tell me how an elk at 300 yards against a 300 Win Mag is at a more advantagous position than an elk against a bowhunter who must get them under 50 yards or a muzzleloader capable of only 200 yds shots? That is basically what was said when you look at it realistically. This is have to hear! Plus management plans are based on the total number killed not how killed. Plans take into consideration amounts killed in each season and quotas are set, time limits established to compensate and manage the total population. So how does the manner they die hurt the population? Total BS arguement that is used to cloud the real issue. No you said Disabled hunts are another special treatment/opportunitiy hunts that are allowed and sometimes they can even shoot from a vehicle. We have all kinds of special treatment and special opportunities in hunting programs, some require money for muzzleloaders and bows etc and you said are against them. I just named a few of the more popular ones. So yes, it is a fair analogy and I understand you now do not like how looks, but those are your words, not mine. It does not take a rocket scientest to read between the lines with people talking about "they do not like to compete with others" "this gives some other hunter an advantage against me" etc, blah blah etc. Bottom line is that everyone is basically talking about non-sensical regs in reality do nothing but give them their desired hunting method/time/low price etc, and yet limits others. This is not legitimate game management so stop trying to hide under that umbrella. Method has zero to to with management so stop trying to sugarcoat it. Method is only about personal whims. It is nothing more than about me getting "my elk/deer vs legitimate management interests", and they are trying to use all the BS arguements to sugar coat it. Sorry guys, but that is the facts and no way to twist it any other way. BH [/QUOTE]
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