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<blockquote data-quote="Ridge Runner" data-source="post: 342097" data-attributes="member: 951"><p>Though I'm not an engineer, who can explain how, why and all that, Living in wv with an abundance of whitetails, liberal bag limits, and doing work with local farmers culling deer on crop damage permits I have shot alot of deer, in about every place imaginable, with alot of different firearms. Here is my beliefs on hydraulic compression of flesh. It works, there is no denying it.</p><p></p><p> Years ago when we would deer hunt and normal shots at our smallish whitetails came at 100-200 yards, the weapon of choice was the 243 win. loaded with 75-80 gr hp's. behind the shoulder shots ended in a death sprint from 60-100 yards till the animal just bled out and expired. Now on average shoot the same sized deer with the same rifle except switch POI to center of the shoulder, and most of the time that deer won't even move, at the report of the rifle the legs actualy jerk up, and the animal does a nose dive and never moves, not even a twitch.</p><p> Alot of times these light hollopoints showed minimal damage past the onside shoulder but didn't seem to matter.</p><p></p><p>I then switched to a 270 win when I was around the age of 20, loaded with 110 gr Hornady hp's, and I noticed that I could wander farther away from the shoulder and still get the DRT effect, I never really thought about it back then why I could shoot a deer middle ways through the guts while running and they would just die in mid-stride, not even as much as a quiver.</p><p> Once the range got much beyond 200 yards, they would run aways but inside 200, with a solid body hit they would just melt.</p><p></p><p> I noticed once I started shooting a 7mm STW that the DRT range with solid body hits would increase to about 400 yards.</p><p></p><p> Now in the fall of 2007 I had just purchased a 7mm AM from APS, had taken a couple deer with it 4 I think, a doe headshot at 375 yards, 2 bucks lungshot at 450 and 475 yards, another doe shoulder shot at 532 which was DRT.</p><p> I had a doe in a field at 585 yards, about 12 people wanted to watch the shot, I flubbed the wind call and POI was 12" right (downwind) of POA.</p><p> The 160 accubond hit 2.5" below the spine, just in front of the hams, through the flank. it hit hide in, hide out, and you could see no damage whatsoever anywhere except slight bruising of one of the inside tenderloins. she hit the ground and never got up, during the processing the guy helping me clean her up made a statement about there was no reason for the deer to be dead.</p><p></p><p></p><p>My opinion on this is, flesh is 70% water, if you can hit them hard enough in a place with enough resistance it will compress, when it compresses, it has to drive the blood backwards through the major blood vessels, the shockwave also travels throughout the body to the CNS to the brain, which I think overwhelms the body causing the brain to shut down all systems. Is the deer really as dead as they appear or does the brain send them into an unconsious mode and they die from damage of the bullet? I have no idea.</p><p> But I know for a fact that a light fast bullet placed in the area of most resistance appears to kill them deader than a lung shot with the same bullet.</p><p>RR</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ridge Runner, post: 342097, member: 951"] Though I'm not an engineer, who can explain how, why and all that, Living in wv with an abundance of whitetails, liberal bag limits, and doing work with local farmers culling deer on crop damage permits I have shot alot of deer, in about every place imaginable, with alot of different firearms. Here is my beliefs on hydraulic compression of flesh. It works, there is no denying it. Years ago when we would deer hunt and normal shots at our smallish whitetails came at 100-200 yards, the weapon of choice was the 243 win. loaded with 75-80 gr hp's. behind the shoulder shots ended in a death sprint from 60-100 yards till the animal just bled out and expired. Now on average shoot the same sized deer with the same rifle except switch POI to center of the shoulder, and most of the time that deer won't even move, at the report of the rifle the legs actualy jerk up, and the animal does a nose dive and never moves, not even a twitch. Alot of times these light hollopoints showed minimal damage past the onside shoulder but didn't seem to matter. I then switched to a 270 win when I was around the age of 20, loaded with 110 gr Hornady hp's, and I noticed that I could wander farther away from the shoulder and still get the DRT effect, I never really thought about it back then why I could shoot a deer middle ways through the guts while running and they would just die in mid-stride, not even as much as a quiver. Once the range got much beyond 200 yards, they would run aways but inside 200, with a solid body hit they would just melt. I noticed once I started shooting a 7mm STW that the DRT range with solid body hits would increase to about 400 yards. Now in the fall of 2007 I had just purchased a 7mm AM from APS, had taken a couple deer with it 4 I think, a doe headshot at 375 yards, 2 bucks lungshot at 450 and 475 yards, another doe shoulder shot at 532 which was DRT. I had a doe in a field at 585 yards, about 12 people wanted to watch the shot, I flubbed the wind call and POI was 12" right (downwind) of POA. The 160 accubond hit 2.5" below the spine, just in front of the hams, through the flank. it hit hide in, hide out, and you could see no damage whatsoever anywhere except slight bruising of one of the inside tenderloins. she hit the ground and never got up, during the processing the guy helping me clean her up made a statement about there was no reason for the deer to be dead. My opinion on this is, flesh is 70% water, if you can hit them hard enough in a place with enough resistance it will compress, when it compresses, it has to drive the blood backwards through the major blood vessels, the shockwave also travels throughout the body to the CNS to the brain, which I think overwhelms the body causing the brain to shut down all systems. Is the deer really as dead as they appear or does the brain send them into an unconsious mode and they die from damage of the bullet? I have no idea. But I know for a fact that a light fast bullet placed in the area of most resistance appears to kill them deader than a lung shot with the same bullet. RR [/QUOTE]
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