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<blockquote data-quote="Derek M." data-source="post: 239238" data-attributes="member: 2693"><p>Harold Vaughn, author of Rifle Accuracy Facts, determined that for the most part, a production rifle does not come chambered concentric to the bore. If I recall, he opined that it was virtually impossible. That would be point one.</p><p></p><p>There are several top notch smiths on this site, and competition shooters as well who use quality smiths to build their hunting/bench rifles. There are 3 main items that in my opinion are critical and are worth mentioning: 1) The action. You should have a very good action, of your preference, which must be blueprinted, or you can buy a custom action, like a Borden, Nesika, or Stiller. 2) The barrel. While I believe that all reputable barrel makers turn out great barrels, some just have an edge with name recognition and I think you'd be happy with any of them. 3) The chamber. It is prudent that the chamber is cut true to the bore. That is all that needs to be said, unless you want to go into details about tight necks, etc.</p><p></p><p>Of course there are other issues, like a quality stock and the smith you use. You can buy the best components and have a regular gunsmith put them together and get a semi-crappy rifle. One item I have found interesting about the H-S Precision and McMillan stocks is that when I shoot at the range, sometimes I will hold the forend as if I'm shooting in the field, regardless that the rifle is cradled in bags, and compare that to shooting without contacting the forend, like when I'm shooting with a bipod. The point of impact out to 200 yards has been the same (my limit at this particular range). I'm guessing that this can be attributed to the quality of the stock, the smith that put it together, and I suppose I'm loading good ammo.</p><p></p><p>In comparison, when I'm shooting along with my police officer buddy, if he does this with any of his 4 factory rifles, the poi is slightly different. So, stock and how you shoot the rifle becomes more important when keeping with a factory gun, in my experience. Case in point: I loaded some 180 TSX bullets in his 30.06 for our bear hunt in BC. I found 47.5gr to be a good, repeatable load, with 1/2 to 3/4" groups at 100 yards when I shot the rifle. However, when he shot it, the best he could do was 1-1.25" or so. He missed a huge bear on the first day at about 75 yards. (I think he got the jitters). He attributes it to having to use a fence post. (I'm still laughing b/c I think I could have pulled it off freehand). Anyway, we checked the rifles on day 2. At 100 yards, with a bipod, seated position, his rifle was off. It was 6 low and 4 right if I recall. We re-zeroed the rifle. He got about a 3" group with 3 shots. He was convinced something was still wrong. We let the bbl cool, then I cranked out 3 rounds inside an inch with the same shooting posture. </p><p></p><p>If you happen to be looking for a barrel, let me know. Sometimes I buy a bunch at a time just b/c they are available. Right now I have Liljas and Kriegers in the safe. I sold an Obermeyer, 2 Kriegers, and 2 Liljas last month.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Derek M., post: 239238, member: 2693"] Harold Vaughn, author of Rifle Accuracy Facts, determined that for the most part, a production rifle does not come chambered concentric to the bore. If I recall, he opined that it was virtually impossible. That would be point one. There are several top notch smiths on this site, and competition shooters as well who use quality smiths to build their hunting/bench rifles. There are 3 main items that in my opinion are critical and are worth mentioning: 1) The action. You should have a very good action, of your preference, which must be blueprinted, or you can buy a custom action, like a Borden, Nesika, or Stiller. 2) The barrel. While I believe that all reputable barrel makers turn out great barrels, some just have an edge with name recognition and I think you'd be happy with any of them. 3) The chamber. It is prudent that the chamber is cut true to the bore. That is all that needs to be said, unless you want to go into details about tight necks, etc. Of course there are other issues, like a quality stock and the smith you use. You can buy the best components and have a regular gunsmith put them together and get a semi-crappy rifle. One item I have found interesting about the H-S Precision and McMillan stocks is that when I shoot at the range, sometimes I will hold the forend as if I'm shooting in the field, regardless that the rifle is cradled in bags, and compare that to shooting without contacting the forend, like when I'm shooting with a bipod. The point of impact out to 200 yards has been the same (my limit at this particular range). I'm guessing that this can be attributed to the quality of the stock, the smith that put it together, and I suppose I'm loading good ammo. In comparison, when I'm shooting along with my police officer buddy, if he does this with any of his 4 factory rifles, the poi is slightly different. So, stock and how you shoot the rifle becomes more important when keeping with a factory gun, in my experience. Case in point: I loaded some 180 TSX bullets in his 30.06 for our bear hunt in BC. I found 47.5gr to be a good, repeatable load, with 1/2 to 3/4" groups at 100 yards when I shot the rifle. However, when he shot it, the best he could do was 1-1.25" or so. He missed a huge bear on the first day at about 75 yards. (I think he got the jitters). He attributes it to having to use a fence post. (I'm still laughing b/c I think I could have pulled it off freehand). Anyway, we checked the rifles on day 2. At 100 yards, with a bipod, seated position, his rifle was off. It was 6 low and 4 right if I recall. We re-zeroed the rifle. He got about a 3" group with 3 shots. He was convinced something was still wrong. We let the bbl cool, then I cranked out 3 rounds inside an inch with the same shooting posture. If you happen to be looking for a barrel, let me know. Sometimes I buy a bunch at a time just b/c they are available. Right now I have Liljas and Kriegers in the safe. I sold an Obermeyer, 2 Kriegers, and 2 Liljas last month. [/QUOTE]
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