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<blockquote data-quote="Darryl Cassel" data-source="post: 6752" data-attributes="member: 34"><p>George and Mountain Man</p><p></p><p>I'm responding to this doe situation in referance to Cameron County MOSTLY and the other Northern tier counties which is MOSTLY "all" State Forest land.</p><p></p><p>We have very rugged and steep mountains and the land mass will always be here without much interferance from those building homes and eliminating land area for the deer.</p><p></p><p>As was mentioned by MM, he saw the low numbers of deer when he was younger. Many areas are still void of deer from the onslought of to many doe permits issued back then.</p><p></p><p>I used to hunt near Mansfield and remember how many deer were in the farm country. One family of farmers I hunted with wondered, as of late, what happened to all the deer they once had. </p><p></p><p>I told them-----do you remember all the doe and button bucks you have been killing in the past several years? They said yes but, there seemed to be plenty of them at the time they were killing them off. They now wish they had not killed so many and being so hogish. The hunting has been terrible the past few years even in that farm area.</p><p></p><p>Point is, you can't keep killing the doe off and expect to keep and maintain a large, healthy, deer herd.</p><p>The food or habitat is there as it always has been in these areas I have mentioned. The only thing the feed plots need now, is deer to eat it. </p><p></p><p>As I mentioned, there are areas that may need thinned out but NOT to the point the Game commission would lead you to believe.</p><p></p><p>A one deer per season, in any form of hunting, is the only way to preserve the herd, especially in the Northern tier counties. Maybe just one buck with 6 or more points and NO doe for a few years would help this area out.</p><p></p><p>The point restriction will help to produce some fine bucks and will enable the large bucks to geneticly pass on their genes. They need numbers of doe to do it though</p><p></p><p>So, the only point I was making was toward the Northern tier counties of Cameron, elk, lower part of Potter, part of Centre and also part of Clearfield which is MOSTLY State Forest land with very few farms at all.</p><p></p><p>These areas are VERY low on numbers of deer and a person can hunt on foot all day long and not see a deer.</p><p>The ONLY places that have nice numbers of deer are those who have posted their land to hunting, especially doe hunting.</p><p></p><p>So when you figure the amount of deer a person eliminates by simply killing "one" doe that is pregnant, that person has reduced the herd significantly.</p><p>A mature doe will breed every year and produce 2 to 3 offspring. The off spring will produce 2 to 3 deer each in 2 years. Those first 3 mature deer will breed again the following year and produce 2 to 3 the following year. </p><p>You can see the numbers keep going and multiplying as each birth of 2 to 3 fawns are dropped. It doubles then triples as each mating season arrives.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, if you want to preserve the herd in the Northern tier counties for future hunting----DON'T KILL THE DOE.</p><p></p><p>I have seen what happens to the herd from over kill in the last 42 years in this area.</p><p></p><p>Later and good hunting to all.</p><p>DC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Darryl Cassel, post: 6752, member: 34"] George and Mountain Man I'm responding to this doe situation in referance to Cameron County MOSTLY and the other Northern tier counties which is MOSTLY "all" State Forest land. We have very rugged and steep mountains and the land mass will always be here without much interferance from those building homes and eliminating land area for the deer. As was mentioned by MM, he saw the low numbers of deer when he was younger. Many areas are still void of deer from the onslought of to many doe permits issued back then. I used to hunt near Mansfield and remember how many deer were in the farm country. One family of farmers I hunted with wondered, as of late, what happened to all the deer they once had. I told them-----do you remember all the doe and button bucks you have been killing in the past several years? They said yes but, there seemed to be plenty of them at the time they were killing them off. They now wish they had not killed so many and being so hogish. The hunting has been terrible the past few years even in that farm area. Point is, you can't keep killing the doe off and expect to keep and maintain a large, healthy, deer herd. The food or habitat is there as it always has been in these areas I have mentioned. The only thing the feed plots need now, is deer to eat it. As I mentioned, there are areas that may need thinned out but NOT to the point the Game commission would lead you to believe. A one deer per season, in any form of hunting, is the only way to preserve the herd, especially in the Northern tier counties. Maybe just one buck with 6 or more points and NO doe for a few years would help this area out. The point restriction will help to produce some fine bucks and will enable the large bucks to geneticly pass on their genes. They need numbers of doe to do it though So, the only point I was making was toward the Northern tier counties of Cameron, elk, lower part of Potter, part of Centre and also part of Clearfield which is MOSTLY State Forest land with very few farms at all. These areas are VERY low on numbers of deer and a person can hunt on foot all day long and not see a deer. The ONLY places that have nice numbers of deer are those who have posted their land to hunting, especially doe hunting. So when you figure the amount of deer a person eliminates by simply killing "one" doe that is pregnant, that person has reduced the herd significantly. A mature doe will breed every year and produce 2 to 3 offspring. The off spring will produce 2 to 3 deer each in 2 years. Those first 3 mature deer will breed again the following year and produce 2 to 3 the following year. You can see the numbers keep going and multiplying as each birth of 2 to 3 fawns are dropped. It doubles then triples as each mating season arrives. Anyway, if you want to preserve the herd in the Northern tier counties for future hunting----DON'T KILL THE DOE. I have seen what happens to the herd from over kill in the last 42 years in this area. Later and good hunting to all. DC [/QUOTE]
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