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<blockquote data-quote="nmbarta" data-source="post: 1495988" data-attributes="member: 78438"><p>Some of the stuff we read makes it seem like shooting critters at 1000 is something you can learn to do in a few weeks of shooting. The fact is, it's rare to find a rifle/shooter combo that call pull that off with any consistency. It's just the math.</p><p>A 1/2 moa rifle is only capable of 5 1/4" groups under perfect conditions at 1000 yards, but this doesn't account for es/sd. An es of 30fps will amount to around 6" at 1000 in a typical hunting rifle. Half of that 6" needs to be added to the 5" that the rifle can pull off. Now you have 8" groups at 1000 without factoring in the current conditions, and the fact that your not on a bench.</p><p>Miss the wind by 1mph and you just added another 4" to the 8" your already shooting.</p><p>Now You've got a 12" shot radius assuming you pull the trigger perfect.</p><p>Miss the elevation by 500 feet and you just added another 2"</p><p>This is why first round hits in a kill zone are so hard to pull off.</p><p>I guess the point that I'm making is that the close range accuracy of the rifle is important, but likely will account for less than half of the reason you miss.</p><p>In most typical long range hunting rifles, the difference between a 1/2 moa rifle and a 3/4 moa rifles is less than 1mph of wind at 1000.</p><p>Accuracy is important, but if your not well versed in all the aspects of shooting long range, it's unlikely that you'll even wound an animal let alone kill one.</p><p>The guys that don't wait for perfect days to shoot little groups, that go shoot in the wind and the rain in the conditions that they'll face will be far more effective at long range hunting than the guys chasing 1/4" groups under perfect conditions.</p><p>I do a lot of both, and there's a **** good reason I don't have any 1000 yard kills, I've never tried, because I'm not good enough. Give me one at 700 and decent conditions and I'll ruin his day every time!</p><p>There's my rant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nmbarta, post: 1495988, member: 78438"] Some of the stuff we read makes it seem like shooting critters at 1000 is something you can learn to do in a few weeks of shooting. The fact is, it's rare to find a rifle/shooter combo that call pull that off with any consistency. It's just the math. A 1/2 moa rifle is only capable of 5 1/4" groups under perfect conditions at 1000 yards, but this doesn't account for es/sd. An es of 30fps will amount to around 6" at 1000 in a typical hunting rifle. Half of that 6" needs to be added to the 5" that the rifle can pull off. Now you have 8" groups at 1000 without factoring in the current conditions, and the fact that your not on a bench. Miss the wind by 1mph and you just added another 4" to the 8" your already shooting. Now You've got a 12" shot radius assuming you pull the trigger perfect. Miss the elevation by 500 feet and you just added another 2" This is why first round hits in a kill zone are so hard to pull off. I guess the point that I'm making is that the close range accuracy of the rifle is important, but likely will account for less than half of the reason you miss. In most typical long range hunting rifles, the difference between a 1/2 moa rifle and a 3/4 moa rifles is less than 1mph of wind at 1000. Accuracy is important, but if your not well versed in all the aspects of shooting long range, it's unlikely that you'll even wound an animal let alone kill one. The guys that don't wait for perfect days to shoot little groups, that go shoot in the wind and the rain in the conditions that they'll face will be far more effective at long range hunting than the guys chasing 1/4" groups under perfect conditions. I do a lot of both, and there's a **** good reason I don't have any 1000 yard kills, I've never tried, because I'm not good enough. Give me one at 700 and decent conditions and I'll ruin his day every time! There's my rant. [/QUOTE]
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