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Hunting Rifle: Anyone Else Have No Desire for a Silencer?
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<blockquote data-quote="CMP70306" data-source="post: 2360596" data-attributes="member: 36999"><p>I have the data, l handload my own ammo and shoot it past a LabRadar. Shooting the same ammo in a 26" barrel and dropping to a 20" or a 24" and dropping to an 18" results in a drop of 150 to 200 fps based on the particular bullet, cartridge and barrel combination. I will also preface this by saying that the long barrels are Proof Research and the short barrels are Carbon Six, based on testing my proof barrels seem faster as the same ammo that clocks 3300 in my brothers 26" Browning clocks 3280 in my 24" proof and 3080 in the 18" carbon six.</p><p></p><p>That being said this will reduce your effective range by about 150 yards assuming 200 fps less. This sounds like a lot but if you are shooting a cartridge capable of taking game in excess of 1000 yards then that still leaves you the ability to shoot 850+ yards. Then of course there is the little fact that you can use still use a suppressor on a 24" barrel and have the best of both worlds, no muzzle blast, less recoil, and all of the velocity.</p><p></p><p>But since you want hard numbers let's look at hard numbers in the .300 Win Mag. Hornady loads the factory Precision hunter ammo with the 178gr ELD-X at 2960 fps out of a 26" barrel, that load hits 1800 fps at 750 yards. Now let's look at my 181 Hammer loads, at 3260 fps they hit 1800 fps at 900 yards a full 150 yards further than Hornadys long range hunting factory ammo. If I cut 6" off the barrel my velocity drops to 3050 fps and my 1800 fps limit is reduced to 775 yards, so in other words <strong>my 20" suppressed .300 Win Mag has a higher effective range than somebody with a 26" barrel shooting factory long range hunting ammo.</strong></p><p></p><p>Additionally you say that suppressors are useless because the sound of the shot doesn't reach the target until after impact. What happens if you miss or you choose to take a second animal? In my experience deer react very differently to suppressed shots and move much more slowly compared to a regular rifle shot easily allowing time for a follow up or a second shot in many cases.</p><p></p><p>Also what about your own hearing or that of those around you? How many people have permanent hearing damage from a braked rifle because they didn't have enough time to get ear pro in before they took the shot? I know for my bear a few years ago there was 10 to 15 seconds between the first sighting and 4 rounds of 6.5 PRC being shot as it was running my way. Had I not been suppressed I would have had to choose between missing the bear or the hearing damage that 4 rapid rounds of 6.5 PRC would cause.</p><p></p><p>You seem stuck on the velocity loss of a short barrel and the sound reaching the animal, two of the least relevant things about suppressors, but completely ignore many of the benefits that myself and others have listed here. I personally recommend that you find someone who has one and give them a try, you might find that you like what you hear.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CMP70306, post: 2360596, member: 36999"] I have the data, l handload my own ammo and shoot it past a LabRadar. Shooting the same ammo in a 26” barrel and dropping to a 20” or a 24” and dropping to an 18” results in a drop of 150 to 200 fps based on the particular bullet, cartridge and barrel combination. I will also preface this by saying that the long barrels are Proof Research and the short barrels are Carbon Six, based on testing my proof barrels seem faster as the same ammo that clocks 3300 in my brothers 26” Browning clocks 3280 in my 24” proof and 3080 in the 18” carbon six. That being said this will reduce your effective range by about 150 yards assuming 200 fps less. This sounds like a lot but if you are shooting a cartridge capable of taking game in excess of 1000 yards then that still leaves you the ability to shoot 850+ yards. Then of course there is the little fact that you can use still use a suppressor on a 24” barrel and have the best of both worlds, no muzzle blast, less recoil, and all of the velocity. But since you want hard numbers let’s look at hard numbers in the .300 Win Mag. Hornady loads the factory Precision hunter ammo with the 178gr ELD-X at 2960 fps out of a 26” barrel, that load hits 1800 fps at 750 yards. Now let’s look at my 181 Hammer loads, at 3260 fps they hit 1800 fps at 900 yards a full 150 yards further than Hornadys long range hunting factory ammo. If I cut 6” off the barrel my velocity drops to 3050 fps and my 1800 fps limit is reduced to 775 yards, so in other words [B]my 20” suppressed .300 Win Mag has a higher effective range than somebody with a 26” barrel shooting factory long range hunting ammo.[/B] Additionally you say that suppressors are useless because the sound of the shot doesn’t reach the target until after impact. What happens if you miss or you choose to take a second animal? In my experience deer react very differently to suppressed shots and move much more slowly compared to a regular rifle shot easily allowing time for a follow up or a second shot in many cases. Also what about your own hearing or that of those around you? How many people have permanent hearing damage from a braked rifle because they didn’t have enough time to get ear pro in before they took the shot? I know for my bear a few years ago there was 10 to 15 seconds between the first sighting and 4 rounds of 6.5 PRC being shot as it was running my way. Had I not been suppressed I would have had to choose between missing the bear or the hearing damage that 4 rapid rounds of 6.5 PRC would cause. You seem stuck on the velocity loss of a short barrel and the sound reaching the animal, two of the least relevant things about suppressors, but completely ignore many of the benefits that myself and others have listed here. I personally recommend that you find someone who has one and give them a try, you might find that you like what you hear. [/QUOTE]
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