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<blockquote data-quote="westcliffe01" data-source="post: 826799" data-attributes="member: 35183"><p>Does your range have just 25, 50 and 100 yard ranges ? If so then you need to find another place to shoot where you can stretch it out to at least 300 yards. 400 is better but at least at 300 one is starting to get significant wind effects and will notice the benefit of higher ballistic coefficient bullets.</p><p></p><p>As a new shooter, consider yourself lucky if you buy a factory rifle and it shoots great out the box. The odds are that the next 2 or 3 you buy might give you some headaches before you get them to perform, and some are only good as parts donors. Sad but true reflection on the firearm industry. Some companies test fire their weapons and provide the test target, but most US gunmakers do not. </p><p></p><p>Out of 5 bolt action rifles so far, 1 was lousy (there was basically no good part in it), a second needed tweaking to the stock then shot good, the 3rd shot 1/2" groups from the first range visit (Savage 10 PC 223), the 4th had a barrel that was so full of chatter marks it should never have left the factory (TC Icon). It is now discontinued and the factory has refused to sell me parts. TC is now on my BAN list. The 5th shot reasonably good (1moa) but the barrel could not stabilize the bullets I wanted to shoot. The truth is that no factory gun is made that would do it so I spent $350 on a custom barrel (which was shipped to me in 3 days) and I sold the original barrel with 80 rounds fired for $180 so my total out of pocket for the upgrade was $170. I can now shoot 95 and 105gr VLDs (243) to 1/2 min groups.</p><p></p><p>Since the 5th bolt gun, I now no longer buy new, I buy used actions and fit a match barrel from the getgo. That way I eliminate 95% of the headache associated with factory rifles in 1 move. The Savage donor rifles are often in the $300 price range (with accutrigger and stock) so unless I change the stock I usually end up with a match rifle for about $650. I try to be picky about the donors to get a good stock, it does not matter to me what condition the barrel is in or how many scrapes it has since I have it taken off in 5 minutes and factory barrels (except 26" varmint contour stainless barrels) are basically worthless. I have also yet to meet an accutrigger that I do not like. if I ever do, one can find takeoffs from people fitting aftermarket triggers for $60 as opposed to $200+ Remington or AR-15 triggers.</p><p></p><p>So if you stay with it, don't expect a smooth ride. You are going to have to either develop some problem solving skills, or stick to custom actions and barrels which work as intended with intense focus on quality control which is virtually absent in factory rifles today.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="westcliffe01, post: 826799, member: 35183"] Does your range have just 25, 50 and 100 yard ranges ? If so then you need to find another place to shoot where you can stretch it out to at least 300 yards. 400 is better but at least at 300 one is starting to get significant wind effects and will notice the benefit of higher ballistic coefficient bullets. As a new shooter, consider yourself lucky if you buy a factory rifle and it shoots great out the box. The odds are that the next 2 or 3 you buy might give you some headaches before you get them to perform, and some are only good as parts donors. Sad but true reflection on the firearm industry. Some companies test fire their weapons and provide the test target, but most US gunmakers do not. Out of 5 bolt action rifles so far, 1 was lousy (there was basically no good part in it), a second needed tweaking to the stock then shot good, the 3rd shot 1/2" groups from the first range visit (Savage 10 PC 223), the 4th had a barrel that was so full of chatter marks it should never have left the factory (TC Icon). It is now discontinued and the factory has refused to sell me parts. TC is now on my BAN list. The 5th shot reasonably good (1moa) but the barrel could not stabilize the bullets I wanted to shoot. The truth is that no factory gun is made that would do it so I spent $350 on a custom barrel (which was shipped to me in 3 days) and I sold the original barrel with 80 rounds fired for $180 so my total out of pocket for the upgrade was $170. I can now shoot 95 and 105gr VLDs (243) to 1/2 min groups. Since the 5th bolt gun, I now no longer buy new, I buy used actions and fit a match barrel from the getgo. That way I eliminate 95% of the headache associated with factory rifles in 1 move. The Savage donor rifles are often in the $300 price range (with accutrigger and stock) so unless I change the stock I usually end up with a match rifle for about $650. I try to be picky about the donors to get a good stock, it does not matter to me what condition the barrel is in or how many scrapes it has since I have it taken off in 5 minutes and factory barrels (except 26" varmint contour stainless barrels) are basically worthless. I have also yet to meet an accutrigger that I do not like. if I ever do, one can find takeoffs from people fitting aftermarket triggers for $60 as opposed to $200+ Remington or AR-15 triggers. So if you stay with it, don't expect a smooth ride. You are going to have to either develop some problem solving skills, or stick to custom actions and barrels which work as intended with intense focus on quality control which is virtually absent in factory rifles today. [/QUOTE]
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