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<blockquote data-quote="Hired Gun" data-source="post: 105974" data-attributes="member: 1290"><p>Viking, I have read the Blue Press plenty. I still would like to have a Dillon XL 650 but I don't need one for the shooting I'm doing now. Brian Enos is loading pistol ammo. For load development it is not practical when only 3 loads per powder charge are being loaded. They are great for high volume work. No question about that. Enos is most likely is using flake or ball powder. Most of the powders I use are tubular powders like RL-19, 22,25 or IMR 4350, 4831, 7828 doesn't go through powder measures very fine. When I'm running near redline a 3/10 variance will blow my group. If I was doing 22-250 with H-380 I have no doubt it would throw match grade ammo for that. If you are running a rifle with a wide margin either side of optimum charge weight it would be fine. </p><p></p><p>I didn't say I had never used one. I used to use a Dillon 650 when I was doing action shooting with my 686. At the time I was shooting 250 to 500 rounds a week. Just enough to stay proficient enough to run 4" groups at 100 yards with factory iron sights or to draw and rip off 12 shots at 25 yards on 4" targets at 25 yards in 7 seconds. It was good pistol ammo. For long range rifle shooting where I like my extreme spreads to stay in the single digits if not less than 5 fps, I just don't feel it can maintain the precision with tube powders in the 1/2 of a 10th grain of powder or better that I can trickling on my beam scale. </p><p></p><p>I went over the sites you listed and even David Wilson feels the need to weigh his completed rounds to be sure there really is powder in them. I didn't realize the 550 could be set up with a funnel rather than a measure. I still stand by what I said. A single stage or even a turret press would be a better choice for someone who has never loaded before. If he is starting out with just doing pistol ammo or small case shells and ball powder then by all means set it up and crank away. It is still an expensive complex machine to set up, maintain and troubleshoot for the first timer compared to where with a single stage press and minimal instruction, you will be producing match grade ammo in a couple hours of opening the boxes. </p><p></p><p> <img src="http://dillonprecision.com/content/image/200/i_0900.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> </p><p></p><p>If he had said he had been using it awhile and had run into a glitch my post would have been completely different.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hired Gun, post: 105974, member: 1290"] Viking, I have read the Blue Press plenty. I still would like to have a Dillon XL 650 but I don’t need one for the shooting I’m doing now. Brian Enos is loading pistol ammo. For load development it is not practical when only 3 loads per powder charge are being loaded. They are great for high volume work. No question about that. Enos is most likely is using flake or ball powder. Most of the powders I use are tubular powders like RL-19, 22,25 or IMR 4350, 4831, 7828 doesn't go through powder measures very fine. When I’m running near redline a 3/10 variance will blow my group. If I was doing 22-250 with H-380 I have no doubt it would throw match grade ammo for that. If you are running a rifle with a wide margin either side of optimum charge weight it would be fine. I didn't say I had never used one. I used to use a Dillon 650 when I was doing action shooting with my 686. At the time I was shooting 250 to 500 rounds a week. Just enough to stay proficient enough to run 4" groups at 100 yards with factory iron sights or to draw and rip off 12 shots at 25 yards on 4” targets at 25 yards in 7 seconds. It was good pistol ammo. For long range rifle shooting where I like my extreme spreads to stay in the single digits if not less than 5 fps, I just don’t feel it can maintain the precision with tube powders in the 1/2 of a 10th grain of powder or better that I can trickling on my beam scale. I went over the sites you listed and even David Wilson feels the need to weigh his completed rounds to be sure there really is powder in them. I didn’t realize the 550 could be set up with a funnel rather than a measure. I still stand by what I said. A single stage or even a turret press would be a better choice for someone who has never loaded before. If he is starting out with just doing pistol ammo or small case shells and ball powder then by all means set it up and crank away. It is still an expensive complex machine to set up, maintain and troubleshoot for the first timer compared to where with a single stage press and minimal instruction, you will be producing match grade ammo in a couple hours of opening the boxes. [img]http://dillonprecision.com/content/image/200/i_0900.jpg[/img] If he had said he had been using it awhile and had run into a glitch my post would have been completely different. [/QUOTE]
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