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<blockquote data-quote="RegionRat" data-source="post: 1555117" data-attributes="member: 57231"><p>You asked a legitimate question, that is being more honest than most.</p><p>If you take a look at the typical learning curve for NRA and CMP Highpower Mid Range competitions (that involve >600 yards), it gives you a decent perspective of a larger group of shooters with the difference being the scores are being recorded and stats being kept... not just internet chatter...</p><p></p><p>An above average guy walks in, he will typically have to choose if he will play F-Class (prone from rests) or match gun (say prone with sling). We use different target standards, e.g., the F-Class X-ring is half the size of the match gun. But these are typically 1/4 to 1/2 MOA capable guns when tested at two or three hundred yards in order to stay competitive.</p><p></p><p>Our above average motivated beginner will start out and find out they generally land at Expert Level, being spanked by the Masters, who are then spanked by the High Masters. On any given day, you can see folks shoot above or below their classification level to some degree, but the system is such that you must shoot the higher classification scores at least three times to be moved up to the next class.</p><p></p><p>To exactly answer your question would require an analysis of all the scores turned in over a few years, which I would find interesting but nobody has done it. If I were to base my guess on my own club's activities since you asked a good question...</p><p></p><p>I would estimate it takes a motivated guy most of a season to go from Expert to Master, and then only a small percentage will make High Master within a year. If you guess about once a month and each match is about 60 record shots plus unlimited sighters, that is about 900 shots in matches plus whatever load development and practice shooting they are doing. Figure 2/3 of all that shoot at least 10 years may not ever make HM.</p><p></p><p>For reference, a High Master is over 97%, Master is 94-97%, Expert is 89-94%, Sharpshooter is 84-89%, Marksmen is below 84%. Each X or 10 rings is 100%, a 9 ring is one point off, and so on. Like we said earlier, the F-Class X is 3" and the 10 ring is 6". That means an F-Class High Master is shooting into 1 MOA 97% of the time, and the Master is 94%, etc.</p><p></p><p>So, to hit at 94% of the time or better into 1MOA at 600 yards, expect it will take more than a year and more than 1000 measured rounds downrange, just by my guessing how folks progress through our club and highpower matches, and that is if you start out at about Expert.</p><p></p><p>Many folks give up without making Master after trying for two or three years. A few will make HM after being persistent. Each individual will make up his own mind how hard he will push to climb the ranks. So for fixed distance shooting standards, we can guestimate the answer to your question by assuming you would normally be happy to use a Master rank to say someone is proficient at distances from 600+. That takes a motivated decent riflemen a year or more of shooting on average, which is just my own estimate without doing the actual stats on the scores.</p><p></p><p>You may find visiting with a club that hosts HP and F-Class competition is a organized way to make yourself better faster. It will help with keeping score and learning from others. YMMV</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RegionRat, post: 1555117, member: 57231"] You asked a legitimate question, that is being more honest than most. If you take a look at the typical learning curve for NRA and CMP Highpower Mid Range competitions (that involve >600 yards), it gives you a decent perspective of a larger group of shooters with the difference being the scores are being recorded and stats being kept... not just internet chatter... An above average guy walks in, he will typically have to choose if he will play F-Class (prone from rests) or match gun (say prone with sling). We use different target standards, e.g., the F-Class X-ring is half the size of the match gun. But these are typically 1/4 to 1/2 MOA capable guns when tested at two or three hundred yards in order to stay competitive. Our above average motivated beginner will start out and find out they generally land at Expert Level, being spanked by the Masters, who are then spanked by the High Masters. On any given day, you can see folks shoot above or below their classification level to some degree, but the system is such that you must shoot the higher classification scores at least three times to be moved up to the next class. To exactly answer your question would require an analysis of all the scores turned in over a few years, which I would find interesting but nobody has done it. If I were to base my guess on my own club's activities since you asked a good question... I would estimate it takes a motivated guy most of a season to go from Expert to Master, and then only a small percentage will make High Master within a year. If you guess about once a month and each match is about 60 record shots plus unlimited sighters, that is about 900 shots in matches plus whatever load development and practice shooting they are doing. Figure 2/3 of all that shoot at least 10 years may not ever make HM. For reference, a High Master is over 97%, Master is 94-97%, Expert is 89-94%, Sharpshooter is 84-89%, Marksmen is below 84%. Each X or 10 rings is 100%, a 9 ring is one point off, and so on. Like we said earlier, the F-Class X is 3" and the 10 ring is 6". That means an F-Class High Master is shooting into 1 MOA 97% of the time, and the Master is 94%, etc. So, to hit at 94% of the time or better into 1MOA at 600 yards, expect it will take more than a year and more than 1000 measured rounds downrange, just by my guessing how folks progress through our club and highpower matches, and that is if you start out at about Expert. Many folks give up without making Master after trying for two or three years. A few will make HM after being persistent. Each individual will make up his own mind how hard he will push to climb the ranks. So for fixed distance shooting standards, we can guestimate the answer to your question by assuming you would normally be happy to use a Master rank to say someone is proficient at distances from 600+. That takes a motivated decent riflemen a year or more of shooting on average, which is just my own estimate without doing the actual stats on the scores. You may find visiting with a club that hosts HP and F-Class competition is a organized way to make yourself better faster. It will help with keeping score and learning from others. YMMV [/QUOTE]
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