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<blockquote data-quote="MarkMc" data-source="post: 1278478" data-attributes="member: 100204"><p>This is my first post as I'm mostly a lurker but a topic that I have thought about alot. A couple years ago I started Elk hunting. For the last 30 yrs or so I have mostly hunted moose and deer. On my first dedicated Elk hunt I carried my moose rig; a pre64 winchester 375 H&H. Walking 8-10 K per day humping my 11#+ old friend up and down 1000 vertical feet 4 times a day got old real fast. I have other rifles but the H&H has gathered a dozen or so moose for me and is a good old friend. </p><p>I decided to build a purpose built gun, after many discussions with gunsmiths I bought a bunch of tools and am in the final stages of my first owner built gun. It is a Husqvarna M98, MPI Classic stock. timney trigger, match grade crome moly barrel, aluminum bottom metal from a browning, 3 position dakota safety, jeweled bolt, aluminum night force picatinny rail. I'm just finishing off the oven I built for a olive cerakote finish. It is chambered in 338-06, planning to shoot 225 gr bullets near 2700 fps. It appears to be about 7#s now, I'll need to weigh it. I bought a 2.5-10 PST but have not mounted it as my 1.5-4 Zeiss is probably the scope I'll put on it (might be interested in a trade on your bigger PST).</p><p>I have a 308 NM as a deer gun, shoots 178gr Amax just over 3100 fps. Didn't know much about the WSM until last year my hunting partner bought a 325 WSM. It is a fantastic round, first handload was 1/2 MOA. The 300 is near equal the performance of my Norma. It has collected moose, bear and deer for me. Only ever recovered one round out of the spine of a 300# white tail (180 Speer Grandslam).</p><p>The long range bug has bitten me as I am planning on a 6.5 Sherman next. I have never owned a gun with a break but 30 yrs ago I barreled a gun in 25-284 for coyotes. 85 gr Nosler at 3740 fps was devastating on hides, but a good killer. I had a 6-24 B&L on it in the beginning and practiced on gophers at 500 yds, point being a spotter was essential. I never saw the poi, unless I was the spotter. My 6.5 will have a break, not because of felt recoil but because of control. I shot 4000 rds through the 25 until it started to spray the bullets. I decided to use it before it was shot out as a deer gun, I took the giant scope off and put a small Schmidt & Bender fixed 4 power. I shot at least 20 deer and one bear. The small fragable bullet only had one poi, the boiler room. All the game were 1 shot kills, not one took another step. I decided that a giant scope had no place on a hunting gun I carried all day long.</p><p>As obvious as my OCD is back to weight. Never sacrifice accuracy for weight. My 308 Norma with its pencil thin barrel will only shoot 1/2 MOA if I what 5 minutes between the second and third shots. I'll never do that again. The first really good scope I owned is on the Norma, a 2.5-10X56 Swarovski. I'd rather have a cheap gun with good glass than a good gun with cheap glass.</p><p>I am really interested in the proof research CF barrel for my 6.5, but it will more than likely get a cut rifled SS barrel. I agree that light weight guns tend to be ammo sensitive (my Norma is) but there are light weight alternatives, just add money. I'm not a bench rest shooter, but I spend 45+ days in the mountains a year. I'm fat and old, can't sing or dance, but I spend a lot of money on other light weight equipment. So I'm not sure my gun has to be heavy, but it has to be accurate.</p><p>My 50 cents.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MarkMc, post: 1278478, member: 100204"] This is my first post as I'm mostly a lurker but a topic that I have thought about alot. A couple years ago I started Elk hunting. For the last 30 yrs or so I have mostly hunted moose and deer. On my first dedicated Elk hunt I carried my moose rig; a pre64 winchester 375 H&H. Walking 8-10 K per day humping my 11#+ old friend up and down 1000 vertical feet 4 times a day got old real fast. I have other rifles but the H&H has gathered a dozen or so moose for me and is a good old friend. I decided to build a purpose built gun, after many discussions with gunsmiths I bought a bunch of tools and am in the final stages of my first owner built gun. It is a Husqvarna M98, MPI Classic stock. timney trigger, match grade crome moly barrel, aluminum bottom metal from a browning, 3 position dakota safety, jeweled bolt, aluminum night force picatinny rail. I'm just finishing off the oven I built for a olive cerakote finish. It is chambered in 338-06, planning to shoot 225 gr bullets near 2700 fps. It appears to be about 7#s now, I'll need to weigh it. I bought a 2.5-10 PST but have not mounted it as my 1.5-4 Zeiss is probably the scope I'll put on it (might be interested in a trade on your bigger PST). I have a 308 NM as a deer gun, shoots 178gr Amax just over 3100 fps. Didn't know much about the WSM until last year my hunting partner bought a 325 WSM. It is a fantastic round, first handload was 1/2 MOA. The 300 is near equal the performance of my Norma. It has collected moose, bear and deer for me. Only ever recovered one round out of the spine of a 300# white tail (180 Speer Grandslam). The long range bug has bitten me as I am planning on a 6.5 Sherman next. I have never owned a gun with a break but 30 yrs ago I barreled a gun in 25-284 for coyotes. 85 gr Nosler at 3740 fps was devastating on hides, but a good killer. I had a 6-24 B&L on it in the beginning and practiced on gophers at 500 yds, point being a spotter was essential. I never saw the poi, unless I was the spotter. My 6.5 will have a break, not because of felt recoil but because of control. I shot 4000 rds through the 25 until it started to spray the bullets. I decided to use it before it was shot out as a deer gun, I took the giant scope off and put a small Schmidt & Bender fixed 4 power. I shot at least 20 deer and one bear. The small fragable bullet only had one poi, the boiler room. All the game were 1 shot kills, not one took another step. I decided that a giant scope had no place on a hunting gun I carried all day long. As obvious as my OCD is back to weight. Never sacrifice accuracy for weight. My 308 Norma with its pencil thin barrel will only shoot 1/2 MOA if I what 5 minutes between the second and third shots. I'll never do that again. The first really good scope I owned is on the Norma, a 2.5-10X56 Swarovski. I'd rather have a cheap gun with good glass than a good gun with cheap glass. I am really interested in the proof research CF barrel for my 6.5, but it will more than likely get a cut rifled SS barrel. I agree that light weight guns tend to be ammo sensitive (my Norma is) but there are light weight alternatives, just add money. I'm not a bench rest shooter, but I spend 45+ days in the mountains a year. I'm fat and old, can't sing or dance, but I spend a lot of money on other light weight equipment. So I'm not sure my gun has to be heavy, but it has to be accurate. My 50 cents. [/QUOTE]
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