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<blockquote data-quote="Darryl Cassel" data-source="post: 242" data-attributes="member: 34"><p>Hello Warren</p><p></p><p>Retained Energy AND speed is the point I was trying to emphasize. Both must be incorporated to cause tissue damage at the extreme range we have had experiance with over the years.</p><p>Point being, we have never had one get away from us yet. I like high retained energy and velocity in the bullets I use. The better the BC the more V & E are retained.</p><p></p><p>I use to be a speed merchant and could drive a 200 gr MK out of my 30/378 (37" barrel)</p><p>at velocities approaching 3600 FPS. This was checked and double checked by several chronagraphs for accuracy. </p><p>I soon found that we could get some dramatic results and case life extension if we slowed it down and concentrated on accuracy more then the importance we put on the speed. </p><p>However, we found we needed both, speed and accuracy so a compremise was made.</p><p></p><p>We also have found , and I mentioned this before that, we have recovered ONLY two bullets from about 20 elk and they were mushroomed perfectly and the range was in excess of 1100 yds. The exit holes in elk out to 2100 yards you could stuff a volleyball in each of them. That was with the 338/416.</p><p></p><p>On PA whitetail deer at ranges of 1000 to 1500 yards it's almost criminal what a 30 cal 220 gr from a 30/378 or especially the 338/416 will do.</p><p></p><p>I'm sure you have run tests on tissue damage but, ALL cases are not the same and all bullets do not react the same. Certain types of bullets seem prdictable though.</p><p>If the flight pattern stays constant with a high BC bullet & a good retained velocity, it will cause severe damage at 1500 plus yards. </p><p>This is what We have found in actual on hands testing while hunting. </p><p></p><p>As mentioned before, you can read what something should do or not do or is supposed to do but, to have actual field testing over many, many years on live animals is one of the most important tests to me, since I am a longrange shooter and hunter.</p><p></p><p>When I respond to this forum, it is what I personnally have witnessed concerning bullet distruction to live tissue at extreme range from several longrange calibers.</p><p></p><p>We are coming from two perspectives here. You are doing more testing on paper targets at extreme range (I think) and I am doing more testing (I think) on live animals such as deer and elk.</p><p>The very first thing I look at when we get to the downed animal is the exit hole. I am amazed what the Sierra Match King bullets do to animals at ranges considered by some as, not possible. You know what I'm talking about here being in the bullet business.</p><p></p><p>Sometime we should combine our talents.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, it's nice to have this forum to share ideas and experiances with others who may not have had the chance to do what you and I both have done over the years.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Darryl Cassel </p><p> </p><p></p><p> <img src="http://images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> <img src="http://images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Darryl Cassel, post: 242, member: 34"] Hello Warren Retained Energy AND speed is the point I was trying to emphasize. Both must be incorporated to cause tissue damage at the extreme range we have had experiance with over the years. Point being, we have never had one get away from us yet. I like high retained energy and velocity in the bullets I use. The better the BC the more V & E are retained. I use to be a speed merchant and could drive a 200 gr MK out of my 30/378 (37" barrel) at velocities approaching 3600 FPS. This was checked and double checked by several chronagraphs for accuracy. I soon found that we could get some dramatic results and case life extension if we slowed it down and concentrated on accuracy more then the importance we put on the speed. However, we found we needed both, speed and accuracy so a compremise was made. We also have found , and I mentioned this before that, we have recovered ONLY two bullets from about 20 elk and they were mushroomed perfectly and the range was in excess of 1100 yds. The exit holes in elk out to 2100 yards you could stuff a volleyball in each of them. That was with the 338/416. On PA whitetail deer at ranges of 1000 to 1500 yards it's almost criminal what a 30 cal 220 gr from a 30/378 or especially the 338/416 will do. I'm sure you have run tests on tissue damage but, ALL cases are not the same and all bullets do not react the same. Certain types of bullets seem prdictable though. If the flight pattern stays constant with a high BC bullet & a good retained velocity, it will cause severe damage at 1500 plus yards. This is what We have found in actual on hands testing while hunting. As mentioned before, you can read what something should do or not do or is supposed to do but, to have actual field testing over many, many years on live animals is one of the most important tests to me, since I am a longrange shooter and hunter. When I respond to this forum, it is what I personnally have witnessed concerning bullet distruction to live tissue at extreme range from several longrange calibers. We are coming from two perspectives here. You are doing more testing on paper targets at extreme range (I think) and I am doing more testing (I think) on live animals such as deer and elk. The very first thing I look at when we get to the downed animal is the exit hole. I am amazed what the Sierra Match King bullets do to animals at ranges considered by some as, not possible. You know what I'm talking about here being in the bullet business. Sometime we should combine our talents. Anyway, it's nice to have this forum to share ideas and experiances with others who may not have had the chance to do what you and I both have done over the years. Darryl Cassel [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]
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