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<blockquote data-quote="Darryl Cassel" data-source="post: 240" data-attributes="member: 34"><p>Hello Dave and Warren</p><p></p><p>Just another point of view from some of our hunting trips and the use of the bullet, velocity and caliber mentioned.</p><p>Many times actual field testing on live game will produce a much different picture then what the bullet is advertised to do or not do. </p><p></p><p>********************************************</p><p>Would that combination (220 gr bullet at 3200FPS out of a 30/378) work on deer at 1500 yards? </p><p>You can bet it will and further then that. </p><p></p><p>For most of those thinking that they are going to kill an animal with the first round out of their barrel at 1500 yards, think again. A spotter round or two is advisable in that situation----ALWAYS.</p><p>I know of no one that can (with normal civilian built custom guns) make a kill with the FIRST shot on a regular basis. There are just to many variables to overcome.</p><p>I would rather take a spotter round or two (away from the target) and be able to place the shot better on the animal.</p><p></p><p>When compairing bullets, speed, energy and killing power, check out how much energy a 30-30 has at 100 and 200 yards. That little 170 grain bullet and rifle combination has probably killed more deer size game between 100 and 200 yards then ANY caliber in history.</p><p></p><p>Lets take it a step further and apply THAT energy (or more) to an animal that is standing 1500 yards away (broadside), not alarmed to anything and in a RELAXED state.</p><p></p><p>If you can kill with the same energy at 100 or 200 from a much smaller caliber then say a 30/378 using a 220 gr bullet at 3200 FPS and retain a good portion of that velocity, you will most certainly be able to apply that at 1500 with a high BC bullet such as a Sierra Matchking. </p><p></p><p>At 1500 yards the above mentioned bullet with a BC of .655 has 1065 foot lbs of energy</p><p>and a velocity of 1476 FPS remaining.</p><p></p><p>When we used 30/378 calibers with the 220 gr bullets with long barrels, our velocity was 3250 FPS with the 220 gr bullets when we wanted to reload our brass several times.</p><p>We have made kills on whitetail deer in Pennsylvania at 1100 to 1700 with that combination.</p><p></p><p>At 1700 yards the bullet is still traveling at 1317 fps and has 848 Foot pounds of energy left. It really does not take much to kill a whitetail deer here in the mountain area of PA. They are very small (110lbs) and the energy to make the kills can be reduced.</p><p>Many short range hunters are using 222 Cals and placing the shot.</p><p></p><p>When trying to figure your max range for killing, just compare a close range cartridge and that energy it produces and apply it to an extended range that your large overbore cartridge will duplicate. Energy is energy regardless of the range.</p><p>If you can produce energy that a small caliber will give at 100 yds to what a huge cartridge and bullet combination will give at 1500, the energy will still be applied. </p><p>I am refering to the 30/30 as mentioned above in this instance.</p><p></p><p>Of course, an accurate rifle, a high BC bullet, a good rangefinder and a shooting partner with a set of bigeyes is the key to success. </p><p></p><p>NEVER try a 1500 yd shot without your partner.</p><p></p><p>Darryl Cassel</p><p></p><p>[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Darryl Cassel, post: 240, member: 34"] Hello Dave and Warren Just another point of view from some of our hunting trips and the use of the bullet, velocity and caliber mentioned. Many times actual field testing on live game will produce a much different picture then what the bullet is advertised to do or not do. ******************************************** Would that combination (220 gr bullet at 3200FPS out of a 30/378) work on deer at 1500 yards? You can bet it will and further then that. For most of those thinking that they are going to kill an animal with the first round out of their barrel at 1500 yards, think again. A spotter round or two is advisable in that situation----ALWAYS. I know of no one that can (with normal civilian built custom guns) make a kill with the FIRST shot on a regular basis. There are just to many variables to overcome. I would rather take a spotter round or two (away from the target) and be able to place the shot better on the animal. When compairing bullets, speed, energy and killing power, check out how much energy a 30-30 has at 100 and 200 yards. That little 170 grain bullet and rifle combination has probably killed more deer size game between 100 and 200 yards then ANY caliber in history. Lets take it a step further and apply THAT energy (or more) to an animal that is standing 1500 yards away (broadside), not alarmed to anything and in a RELAXED state. If you can kill with the same energy at 100 or 200 from a much smaller caliber then say a 30/378 using a 220 gr bullet at 3200 FPS and retain a good portion of that velocity, you will most certainly be able to apply that at 1500 with a high BC bullet such as a Sierra Matchking. At 1500 yards the above mentioned bullet with a BC of .655 has 1065 foot lbs of energy and a velocity of 1476 FPS remaining. When we used 30/378 calibers with the 220 gr bullets with long barrels, our velocity was 3250 FPS with the 220 gr bullets when we wanted to reload our brass several times. We have made kills on whitetail deer in Pennsylvania at 1100 to 1700 with that combination. At 1700 yards the bullet is still traveling at 1317 fps and has 848 Foot pounds of energy left. It really does not take much to kill a whitetail deer here in the mountain area of PA. They are very small (110lbs) and the energy to make the kills can be reduced. Many short range hunters are using 222 Cals and placing the shot. When trying to figure your max range for killing, just compare a close range cartridge and that energy it produces and apply it to an extended range that your large overbore cartridge will duplicate. Energy is energy regardless of the range. If you can produce energy that a small caliber will give at 100 yds to what a huge cartridge and bullet combination will give at 1500, the energy will still be applied. I am refering to the 30/30 as mentioned above in this instance. Of course, an accurate rifle, a high BC bullet, a good rangefinder and a shooting partner with a set of bigeyes is the key to success. NEVER try a 1500 yd shot without your partner. Darryl Cassel [ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ] [/QUOTE]
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