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<blockquote data-quote="WildRose" data-source="post: 574578" data-attributes="member: 30902"><p>Are you having a problem reading today?</p><p> </p><p>"OVER 1,000yards". I'm shooting a bullet at under 900yds with a BC of 571.</p><p>Velocity <em>(fps)</em>3000 2833 2673 2518 2368 2223 2083 1949 1820 1697 1581</p><p>Energy <em>(ft.-lb.)</em>2598 2317 2062 1830 1618 1427 1253 1096 956 831 722</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>You are talking about shooting at OVER 1,00yds with a bullet with a BC of .585</p><p> </p><p>Velocity <em>(fps)</em>3000 2837 2680 2529 2382 2240 2103 1971 1844 1723 1608</p><p>Energy <em>(ft.-lb.)</em>2798 2502 2233 1987 1764 1560 1375 1208 1057 923 804</p><p> </p><p>The Bullet I have selected has more energy and velocity along with less drop at my max range than the bullet you are suggesting for beyond 1000yds where you are already down to 800ft/lbs of energy. Yes I consider that to be irresponsible.</p><p> </p><p>I am selecting a bullt that is designed to mushroom predicably at that speed/energy and you are choosing one that does nothing predictably or consistently on contact with the game animal at the range you are suggesting it be used.</p><p> </p><p>Yes, I consider that irresponsible.</p><p> </p><p>The AMAX is not a frangible bullet, it's just one that tends to come apart when it hits anthing solid and does so in unpredicable ways. Frangible bullets are designed to break up in specifically predicatable ways.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I draw my line in the sand because at 900yds, I have reached the limit of what Swift recommends velocity wise for this bullet.</p><p>Simple they didnt' shoot a hell of a lot of medium and large game beyond 500yds and when they did they used massive bullets that due to their mass delivered enough energy on target to get the job done. We've had great premium hunting bullets however since the fifties. </p><p> </p><p>Yes they are, that is why I didn't base my deicions based solely on hogs at long range. As I stated most of the were not shot beyond 450yds.If you wish to claim that you are a consistent sub MOA 1,000yds Plus shooter under actual hutning conditions go right ahead. </p><p>Umm no the VLD Berger has a much heavier jacket than the AMAX which is tapered in it's thickness from the opening to about mid length very similar to the interbond and scirocco; though not as heavy. It is not designed to blow up until after it has penetrated deeply unlike the AMAX which is designed to break up on contact.</p><p> </p><p>From Berger's own website.</p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #fa3d05">Hunting Bullets </span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>No the Amax typically comes apart completely losing over 50% of it's mass before even penetrating the rib cage.</p><p> </p><p>Now once again you are moving the bar changing not only the game but the caliber to buttress a failed point. </p><p> </p><p>No the crutch is using a target bullet that is not designed for this purpose because of it's higher BC in spite of it's bein a poor design choice for killing game reliably. </p><p>The higher BC of the target bullet will not grant forgiveness for errors. </p><p>My perspective is a simple one. I don't use a hamer for an axe, nor a chainsaw to carve turkeys. I like one shot kills at any range with minimal wastage and nice through and through shots that cause massive bleeding externally so that when one must start tracking there's something to actually follow, and which ensures a much shorter track.</p><p> </p><p>I've also learned the hard way through experience that when we exceed the purposed design capability of bullets and firearms the game we seek is what suffers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WildRose, post: 574578, member: 30902"] Are you having a problem reading today? "OVER 1,000yards". I'm shooting a bullet at under 900yds with a BC of 571. Velocity [I](fps)[/I]3000 2833 2673 2518 2368 2223 2083 1949 1820 1697 1581 Energy [I](ft.-lb.)[/I]2598 2317 2062 1830 1618 1427 1253 1096 956 831 722 You are talking about shooting at OVER 1,00yds with a bullet with a BC of .585 Velocity [I](fps)[/I]3000 2837 2680 2529 2382 2240 2103 1971 1844 1723 1608 Energy [I](ft.-lb.)[/I]2798 2502 2233 1987 1764 1560 1375 1208 1057 923 804 The Bullet I have selected has more energy and velocity along with less drop at my max range than the bullet you are suggesting for beyond 1000yds where you are already down to 800ft/lbs of energy. Yes I consider that to be irresponsible. I am selecting a bullt that is designed to mushroom predicably at that speed/energy and you are choosing one that does nothing predictably or consistently on contact with the game animal at the range you are suggesting it be used. Yes, I consider that irresponsible. The AMAX is not a frangible bullet, it's just one that tends to come apart when it hits anthing solid and does so in unpredicable ways. Frangible bullets are designed to break up in specifically predicatable ways. I draw my line in the sand because at 900yds, I have reached the limit of what Swift recommends velocity wise for this bullet. Simple they didnt' shoot a hell of a lot of medium and large game beyond 500yds and when they did they used massive bullets that due to their mass delivered enough energy on target to get the job done. We've had great premium hunting bullets however since the fifties. Yes they are, that is why I didn't base my deicions based solely on hogs at long range. As I stated most of the were not shot beyond 450yds.If you wish to claim that you are a consistent sub MOA 1,000yds Plus shooter under actual hutning conditions go right ahead. Umm no the VLD Berger has a much heavier jacket than the AMAX which is tapered in it's thickness from the opening to about mid length very similar to the interbond and scirocco; though not as heavy. It is not designed to blow up until after it has penetrated deeply unlike the AMAX which is designed to break up on contact. From Berger's own website. [B][SIZE=5][COLOR=#fa3d05]Hunting Bullets [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=5][COLOR=#fa3d05][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] No the Amax typically comes apart completely losing over 50% of it's mass before even penetrating the rib cage. Now once again you are moving the bar changing not only the game but the caliber to buttress a failed point. No the crutch is using a target bullet that is not designed for this purpose because of it's higher BC in spite of it's bein a poor design choice for killing game reliably. The higher BC of the target bullet will not grant forgiveness for errors. My perspective is a simple one. I don't use a hamer for an axe, nor a chainsaw to carve turkeys. I like one shot kills at any range with minimal wastage and nice through and through shots that cause massive bleeding externally so that when one must start tracking there's something to actually follow, and which ensures a much shorter track. I've also learned the hard way through experience that when we exceed the purposed design capability of bullets and firearms the game we seek is what suffers. [/QUOTE]
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