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Long Range Scopes and Other Optics
high value low cost optics, scopes binoculars, spotters ect.
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<blockquote data-quote="GBA1776" data-source="post: 804843" data-attributes="member: 20522"><p>It seems that most are missing the point, Yes high dollar stuff is better obviously, you would have to be a shmuck to spend 3k on a tasco quality scope, however since alot of us dont have that in our budget we must make do with the best we can for the lowest price, If you are sitting here thinking "wow id never put a $200 *** on my gun, I only but real good stuff" you might as well just stop reading and stop posting on this thread. There is no need to try to convince us that a NF or Ziess is awesome, thats a given. We all know it and we all would buy the best if we could but, I can only speak for myself here a NF or US optics would cost me 3 months mortgage payment. And i cant drop that kind of cash on a scope. Thats as plain as it gets, And another part of that is Im not limited by my gear, I can still squeeze more out of my guns with the kit i have. If your a world class shooter, and every millimeter counts, yes you do need the best, but I think if most were honest with themselves, they would be able to say they just are not that good. i know Im not. And my experiences with other peoples very high dollar guns and scopes and hand tuned loads, vs the results I get with a good bedded Factory gun with factory match ammo just reinforce my belief that I have a long way to go before my gear will be the limiting factor in my shooting. As I said in a previous post, out of custom guns I get at best .25 MOA out of it more than an accurate Factory rifle. So until my skill meets or exceeds the level of my gear, a serious upgrade will do me no good. Even then. a few thousand dollars for a few fractions of an inch is a tough sell. Also Id like to point out the Savage Shooting team with off the rack $1200-2,000 rifles have a fistfull of shooting ribbons in open class 1000 yd competitions against 3-4-5-6 thousand dollar custom guns. No those Savage model 12's wont group as tightly at 100yds but they obviously are on the same level @ 1000 yds. the proof is in the results.</p><p></p><p> Dont get me wrong Id own a housefull of customs if I could, so many of those guns are just so awesome, the pride of owning a fine tuned piece of kit like that speaks for itself, however most customs cost more than the car I drive everyday. I could sell my 69 cutlass and buy a nice custom and a NF, but there is no way ill ever sell my first car. That thing is priceless in my eyes just like Im sure most of your guys custom rifles are in yours. Everyone is different everyone has there own set of priorities. and everyone has there own likes and dislikes, If that 5k custom and 3k glass just turns you on becasue its special and unique, and shoots >.5 MOA more power to ya. Ill never try to convince you to "downgrade" to a match grade factory rifle. </p><p> And since I would rather have a roof over my head and more to eat than just top ramen, I wont be dropping $3,000+ on a rifle scope combo anytime soon. </p><p> I almost cried when I bought my $400 dollar Aimpoint. It was worth it, but I wont lie clicking "pay now" hurt a little. Im glad I bought it, but I would be even happier if it was only $100. </p><p></p><p> And here we are again we have gone full circle for the 50th time, and we are back at square one. What out there is the best quality for the lowest price, for guys like me on a budget? Any suggestions? </p><p></p><p> Ive had good experiences and heard very good things about Nikons M and P223 line of scopes, And with there ballistics program on there website, they can give you a pretty accurate picture of hold over for any load on any of there scopes, so you dont just have to use .223 with those scopes. And ive also heard Millet is pretty good as well but thats just rumor really since ive never seen one on a gun in person I just cant say. Anyone here have a Millet?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GBA1776, post: 804843, member: 20522"] It seems that most are missing the point, Yes high dollar stuff is better obviously, you would have to be a shmuck to spend 3k on a tasco quality scope, however since alot of us dont have that in our budget we must make do with the best we can for the lowest price, If you are sitting here thinking "wow id never put a $200 *** on my gun, I only but real good stuff" you might as well just stop reading and stop posting on this thread. There is no need to try to convince us that a NF or Ziess is awesome, thats a given. We all know it and we all would buy the best if we could but, I can only speak for myself here a NF or US optics would cost me 3 months mortgage payment. And i cant drop that kind of cash on a scope. Thats as plain as it gets, And another part of that is Im not limited by my gear, I can still squeeze more out of my guns with the kit i have. If your a world class shooter, and every millimeter counts, yes you do need the best, but I think if most were honest with themselves, they would be able to say they just are not that good. i know Im not. And my experiences with other peoples very high dollar guns and scopes and hand tuned loads, vs the results I get with a good bedded Factory gun with factory match ammo just reinforce my belief that I have a long way to go before my gear will be the limiting factor in my shooting. As I said in a previous post, out of custom guns I get at best .25 MOA out of it more than an accurate Factory rifle. So until my skill meets or exceeds the level of my gear, a serious upgrade will do me no good. Even then. a few thousand dollars for a few fractions of an inch is a tough sell. Also Id like to point out the Savage Shooting team with off the rack $1200-2,000 rifles have a fistfull of shooting ribbons in open class 1000 yd competitions against 3-4-5-6 thousand dollar custom guns. No those Savage model 12's wont group as tightly at 100yds but they obviously are on the same level @ 1000 yds. the proof is in the results. Dont get me wrong Id own a housefull of customs if I could, so many of those guns are just so awesome, the pride of owning a fine tuned piece of kit like that speaks for itself, however most customs cost more than the car I drive everyday. I could sell my 69 cutlass and buy a nice custom and a NF, but there is no way ill ever sell my first car. That thing is priceless in my eyes just like Im sure most of your guys custom rifles are in yours. Everyone is different everyone has there own set of priorities. and everyone has there own likes and dislikes, If that 5k custom and 3k glass just turns you on becasue its special and unique, and shoots >.5 MOA more power to ya. Ill never try to convince you to "downgrade" to a match grade factory rifle. And since I would rather have a roof over my head and more to eat than just top ramen, I wont be dropping $3,000+ on a rifle scope combo anytime soon. I almost cried when I bought my $400 dollar Aimpoint. It was worth it, but I wont lie clicking "pay now" hurt a little. Im glad I bought it, but I would be even happier if it was only $100. And here we are again we have gone full circle for the 50th time, and we are back at square one. What out there is the best quality for the lowest price, for guys like me on a budget? Any suggestions? Ive had good experiences and heard very good things about Nikons M and P223 line of scopes, And with there ballistics program on there website, they can give you a pretty accurate picture of hold over for any load on any of there scopes, so you dont just have to use .223 with those scopes. And ive also heard Millet is pretty good as well but thats just rumor really since ive never seen one on a gun in person I just cant say. Anyone here have a Millet? [/QUOTE]
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