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<blockquote data-quote="catorres1" data-source="post: 1064145" data-attributes="member: 80699"><p>You know, I too really love Vanguards. I bought one for my son and fell in love with it. The stock fits me better than the straight comb Winchesters that I sold off, partially due to my experience with the Vanguard. Doesn't hurt that his gun is a genuine .5-.75 inch 3 shot grouper...even though I am really not very good and have done no load development. That was just a simple....throw together a starting level reduced recoil load and see what happens deal. 130 accubonds over a light load of 4064, and it does really well. I actually shot 6 shots with 3 different increments of that load (half grain difference in each), and the group was .8 inches. </p><p></p><p>But while I know they make a 65...and that was where I started...the problem is the barrel is very light. I am looking for a heavier contour that will handle the heat of an extended day of shooting in Texas summer. I asked the custom shop what they could do...nothing. So I am looking at other options.</p><p></p><p>As for the 300/7mm, I am really enamoured of the back country. My only concern is they take a light barrel and make it more whippy by fluting it. Will it shoot well? Many of the reviews I read seemed to have a problem reaching the level of accuracy I am looking for. One guy I talked to that had one, it shoots great...so who knows.</p><p></p><p>So I talked to the custom shop about using that same ultralight stock, using a standard #2 contour barrel and then range certifying it for me. The cost was something like 1050 when I discussed it with them in the summer. If I added the cerecote, it would be, I think, around 1300 or so. Their prices appear to have gone up since then, but that was where I was heading for my hunter.</p><p></p><p>In fact, originally, I had a line on an RC'd 308 varmint gun, for $600. So the plan was to have that rebarrelled to a 65. Then have a 'hunting' rifle built in the 7mm/300 backcountry vein. The idea was having identical triggers and super close stocks so I can practice with the 65 to improve my hunting with the other rifle. Since that time, I have found that while the BC version of the WB stock fits better than the standard remchester stocks, the M40 stock fits me even better. But I do prefer the look of the back country, just like that stock's look better, personally. But fit over form, right?</p><p></p><p>So all that is to say...I like Weatherbys and Vanguards. But at the moment, it looks like doing it with a Remington is the most efficient way to skin my particular cat! But I am open to suggestions. I still need to reach my gunsmith and verify what we talked about pricewise some months ago. It could be he will pitch a different deal that might change the facts on the ground.</p><p></p><p>And if enough people with more experience than me (not too hard to achieve) can convince me that a 3006 or 7mag would suffice just fine as an all day long range shooter for the range, well, I'd rather go that way for simplicity's sake. They have a nice accuguard down at Cabelas to consider as well....and I found a pretty good deal on a Sako LR hunter. But that Rem Long Range really makes the most dollars and sense....pun intended. I can pick one up for 725, tax and all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="catorres1, post: 1064145, member: 80699"] You know, I too really love Vanguards. I bought one for my son and fell in love with it. The stock fits me better than the straight comb Winchesters that I sold off, partially due to my experience with the Vanguard. Doesn't hurt that his gun is a genuine .5-.75 inch 3 shot grouper...even though I am really not very good and have done no load development. That was just a simple....throw together a starting level reduced recoil load and see what happens deal. 130 accubonds over a light load of 4064, and it does really well. I actually shot 6 shots with 3 different increments of that load (half grain difference in each), and the group was .8 inches. But while I know they make a 65...and that was where I started...the problem is the barrel is very light. I am looking for a heavier contour that will handle the heat of an extended day of shooting in Texas summer. I asked the custom shop what they could do...nothing. So I am looking at other options. As for the 300/7mm, I am really enamoured of the back country. My only concern is they take a light barrel and make it more whippy by fluting it. Will it shoot well? Many of the reviews I read seemed to have a problem reaching the level of accuracy I am looking for. One guy I talked to that had one, it shoots great...so who knows. So I talked to the custom shop about using that same ultralight stock, using a standard #2 contour barrel and then range certifying it for me. The cost was something like 1050 when I discussed it with them in the summer. If I added the cerecote, it would be, I think, around 1300 or so. Their prices appear to have gone up since then, but that was where I was heading for my hunter. In fact, originally, I had a line on an RC'd 308 varmint gun, for $600. So the plan was to have that rebarrelled to a 65. Then have a 'hunting' rifle built in the 7mm/300 backcountry vein. The idea was having identical triggers and super close stocks so I can practice with the 65 to improve my hunting with the other rifle. Since that time, I have found that while the BC version of the WB stock fits better than the standard remchester stocks, the M40 stock fits me even better. But I do prefer the look of the back country, just like that stock's look better, personally. But fit over form, right? So all that is to say...I like Weatherbys and Vanguards. But at the moment, it looks like doing it with a Remington is the most efficient way to skin my particular cat! But I am open to suggestions. I still need to reach my gunsmith and verify what we talked about pricewise some months ago. It could be he will pitch a different deal that might change the facts on the ground. And if enough people with more experience than me (not too hard to achieve) can convince me that a 3006 or 7mag would suffice just fine as an all day long range shooter for the range, well, I'd rather go that way for simplicity's sake. They have a nice accuguard down at Cabelas to consider as well....and I found a pretty good deal on a Sako LR hunter. But that Rem Long Range really makes the most dollars and sense....pun intended. I can pick one up for 725, tax and all. [/QUOTE]
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