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<blockquote data-quote="Scot E" data-source="post: 566806" data-attributes="member: 10832"><p>I am not so much concerned about watered down, as in having to wade through the massive amount of posts to find good ones or to find the info I need, but I am more talking about the quality of info being less. I do understand your point that there may be just as much or more good info here now but it is just harder to find. That may be true. But here is what I know about most of the experts on a site like this. They are almost always anal retentive, OCD, type A personalities. Not always all of those but I would wager almost every gent here has some of those traits. If you want to keep those kind of guys around you need to create a atmosphere where they feel appreciated and find value in putting up with biting gnats!</p><p> </p><p> Good point. Without this we are doomed. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Dick this is just my opinion based on the past forums that I have been a part of that have ended up falling apart. But the above is what they all said. "We aren't like the other sites, we moderate, will still have good info here". I am not necessarily arguing any of those points with you or Len. This is still a great site. Instead I am pointing out where I see this site now and where I fear it is headed as it grows into the future. LRH is on a teetering point right now IMO where you guys need to be concerned about loosing the knowledge base as the forum grows and changes. I guess I am just trying to point out my take on seeing many good chat forums fall away and am hoping that we can all learn from history and take some new and/or different actions that will keep things moving forward for the benefit of all. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>True but here is what I think I know about the real experts here. They are busy with life like the rest of us and are likely additionally busy because they are out shooting more than the average guy here so they have limited time to post. Would I like them to post more? Absolutely! But it is unlikely. It is even less likely that they are going to post when they have gotten hammered by guys that don't know what they are talking about. And if they do choose to post it is most likely going to be very selective. They just don't have the time to go around correcting mistakes of others then spending half a week arguing the point. </p><p></p><p>Secondly, it may be easier for some guys to wade through the bull crap but it isn't for the newbie. They are desperate for knowledge and have a hard time knowing what works or what is best. Getting bad info isn't going to keep them around long and isn't going to make their learning process very smooth and enjoyable. A negative for the LRH community as a whole. </p><p> </p><p> This does bring up another issue that I think would be helpful for the guys here. The search feature stinks. Being able to find the info one is looking for ins't always easy. I have an easier time doing a google search for it than I do searching through LRH. Maybe some work here could be done? This would eliminate some of the many duplicate threads here. </p><p> </p><p> Ask them. You may be surprised what guys are willing to do when they realize they are valued here. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>I guess that is what I am trying to do. Talk about it and hopefully get many of the good guys, the experienced guys, to dedicate themselves to being an active, positive participant while letting them know that LRH is working on making the atmosphere here more conducive for their input. </p><p></p><p>I will tell you what I would do as a starter. I would be making a list of all the guys that I felt were valuable participants and I would be contacting them and telling them how valuable they are to this site and the LRH community in general. I would also point out the weaknesses of this site but also promote the strengths and how you would like them to be as much of a part of LRH as possible. I would let them know that you are working on making things more conducive to positive debate and not school yard fights. </p><p></p><p>I would ask them to participate and if things get out of hand to politely decline to continue communications with said member at that time. But don't let it keep them from being involved. I think you may be surprised how much guys are willing to put up with when they know they are valued and appreciated.</p><p></p><p>I hope my true intent here is coming through. I love LRH.com. There is still a ton of great guys here and great info. I just see it heading the way of many others forums and want to try to get ahead of this if possible so we can keep this great resource.</p><p></p><p>One more thing I would like to add here and I am guilty of this too. I think it is easy for us to at least partly want to keep this LRH thing a bit of a secret or at least keep the newbies from coming in and screwing things up. I hear a lot complaining about how the newbie's don't practice and therefore make us all look bad, etc. And I don't disagree with this point. But I would suggest we need to be less concerned about hacking off a few green weenie wackos and more concerned about bolstering our numbers. We win the big fight by having more people on our side than are against us/hunting (and this means hunting of any type) This will be much easier if we continue teaching and educating and accepting everyone interested than if we try to keep things on the DL in an attempt to try and minimize the ammo the greenies have against us.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scot E, post: 566806, member: 10832"] I am not so much concerned about watered down, as in having to wade through the massive amount of posts to find good ones or to find the info I need, but I am more talking about the quality of info being less. I do understand your point that there may be just as much or more good info here now but it is just harder to find. That may be true. But here is what I know about most of the experts on a site like this. They are almost always anal retentive, OCD, type A personalities. Not always all of those but I would wager almost every gent here has some of those traits. If you want to keep those kind of guys around you need to create a atmosphere where they feel appreciated and find value in putting up with biting gnats! Good point. Without this we are doomed. Dick this is just my opinion based on the past forums that I have been a part of that have ended up falling apart. But the above is what they all said. "We aren't like the other sites, we moderate, will still have good info here". I am not necessarily arguing any of those points with you or Len. This is still a great site. Instead I am pointing out where I see this site now and where I fear it is headed as it grows into the future. LRH is on a teetering point right now IMO where you guys need to be concerned about loosing the knowledge base as the forum grows and changes. I guess I am just trying to point out my take on seeing many good chat forums fall away and am hoping that we can all learn from history and take some new and/or different actions that will keep things moving forward for the benefit of all. True but here is what I think I know about the real experts here. They are busy with life like the rest of us and are likely additionally busy because they are out shooting more than the average guy here so they have limited time to post. Would I like them to post more? Absolutely! But it is unlikely. It is even less likely that they are going to post when they have gotten hammered by guys that don't know what they are talking about. And if they do choose to post it is most likely going to be very selective. They just don't have the time to go around correcting mistakes of others then spending half a week arguing the point. Secondly, it may be easier for some guys to wade through the bull crap but it isn't for the newbie. They are desperate for knowledge and have a hard time knowing what works or what is best. Getting bad info isn't going to keep them around long and isn't going to make their learning process very smooth and enjoyable. A negative for the LRH community as a whole. This does bring up another issue that I think would be helpful for the guys here. The search feature stinks. Being able to find the info one is looking for ins't always easy. I have an easier time doing a google search for it than I do searching through LRH. Maybe some work here could be done? This would eliminate some of the many duplicate threads here. Ask them. You may be surprised what guys are willing to do when they realize they are valued here. I guess that is what I am trying to do. Talk about it and hopefully get many of the good guys, the experienced guys, to dedicate themselves to being an active, positive participant while letting them know that LRH is working on making the atmosphere here more conducive for their input. I will tell you what I would do as a starter. I would be making a list of all the guys that I felt were valuable participants and I would be contacting them and telling them how valuable they are to this site and the LRH community in general. I would also point out the weaknesses of this site but also promote the strengths and how you would like them to be as much of a part of LRH as possible. I would let them know that you are working on making things more conducive to positive debate and not school yard fights. I would ask them to participate and if things get out of hand to politely decline to continue communications with said member at that time. But don't let it keep them from being involved. I think you may be surprised how much guys are willing to put up with when they know they are valued and appreciated. I hope my true intent here is coming through. I love LRH.com. There is still a ton of great guys here and great info. I just see it heading the way of many others forums and want to try to get ahead of this if possible so we can keep this great resource. One more thing I would like to add here and I am guilty of this too. I think it is easy for us to at least partly want to keep this LRH thing a bit of a secret or at least keep the newbies from coming in and screwing things up. I hear a lot complaining about how the newbie's don't practice and therefore make us all look bad, etc. And I don't disagree with this point. But I would suggest we need to be less concerned about hacking off a few green weenie wackos and more concerned about bolstering our numbers. We win the big fight by having more people on our side than are against us/hunting (and this means hunting of any type) This will be much easier if we continue teaching and educating and accepting everyone interested than if we try to keep things on the DL in an attempt to try and minimize the ammo the greenies have against us. [/QUOTE]
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