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<blockquote data-quote="orkan" data-source="post: 2636497" data-attributes="member: 25377"><p>So I went out with my lovely wife and shot 220 pdogs today. Didn't fire this rifle once. lol We were having too much fun walking around with the .17's. </p><p></p><p>I did have some time to reflect on things though. This thread has been great. It's important that people see that not everything works for me. You guys tend to only see the victories... but there are many instances where things just do not work out the way I planned. My plan was to get Hammers shooting 1/4 moa or better, and then shoot out the barrel with them to see when they opened up to 1/2+... which is where I take barrels off typically. Turns out I can't get this barrel to get along with either of the hammers tried. This is not a reflection of Hammer bullets, and that's important for the less experienced folks to understand. This is one barrel, and what I was attempting is against all advice I would give any handloader. You don't always get to decide your bullet. It's nice when it works out, and with modern rifles and components... it can work out a lot. </p><p></p><p>It didn't always. Point in fact, it usually didn't. A guy had to work hard to find something the rifle liked. So the 52HH's and 70HH's don't like this barrel. That's all the conclusions that can be drawn at this point regarding accuracy and precision. </p><p></p><p>I have a small bit of pro's and con's I can share up to this point. </p><p></p><p><strong>Pro's - </strong></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Hammer as a company has been great to deal with. Super friendly guys there, and they obviously care a lot about their product. I so badly wanted this to work out, simply for the fact that they have been so nice to talk to. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Hammer bullets do not foul the bore like traditional jacketed bullets. I was inspecting the bore constantly during the 500+rnds of testing... and these things left the bore more fouling free than <strong><em>any other bullet I've ever tested.</em></strong> This is a big deal folks, especially for factory rifle shooters out there. When I say they don't foul... I mean several hundred Hammers results in the same fouling I'd see from 30 traditional bullets. It's actually crazy. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Speed. Greasy fast lightning speed abounds! Man alive these things can be pushed fast. Faster than any traditional bullet for certain. In this 22 creed, an extra 100fps was easy to grab. More if I really leaned into it. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Consistency. The bullets were pretty consistent. Measured, weighed, seated... they just seemed to be consistent across the board. Solids tend to have that advantage over traditional bullets. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Forgiveness. While I wasn't able to get them performing to my accuracy/precision standard... they were a pretty forgiving couple bullets as long as I wasn't trying for sub-1/2 MOA. <strong>I truly believe a blind monkey with one arm could load these things to 1/2 to 5/8'ish MOA. </strong></li> </ol><p></p><p><strong>Con's - </strong></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">They just wouldn't shoot small for me. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Oil. The oil in the tips and oil on the exterior of the bullet created problems during seating, which undoubtedly showed up during flight. This will soon be remedied, as they are getting some equipment which will eliminate the problem. For now, it would pay for guys to centrifugally spin the oil out of the tips and use some alcohol and towel them off good before loading. </li> </ol><p></p><p><strong>The plan from here:</strong> I have another 22 creed in an 8 twist, and another in a 7 twist. I'm going to try these 70HH's in both of them to see if there's anything worth looking at there. I also have a 22-250, two 22BRA's, a .223AI, and a few other .22cals I can try these things in. I'll update this thread if I discover anything worthwhile during that process. In the past, all solids I've tested have required a faster twist to behave right. These 70HH's are suppose to run fine in an 8 twist... but I have a sneaking suspicion they might perform better in a 7 or 6.5. The 52's were certainly spun good in this 8 twist, but there I was dealing with a massive freebore problem. Couldn't even attempt to hit the lands. I've got 80 thousandths, 100 thousandths, and 125 thousandths chambers at my disposal. So I intend to test the twist and freebore theories a bit. </p><p></p><p>I'm also going to try to get ahold of Hammer tomorrow to see if there's anything they think I'm missing. </p><p></p><p>As for this rifle, I think I can say it just won't play nice with the Hammers. Not as nice as I want in order to learn anything. If 3/4 MOA was my standard, it would probably take 3000 rounds or more to "burn out" this barrel with these bullets. I'm just not thinking there will be a lot to learn from something like that however. I need to have them running tight in order to see where they start shooting poorly, and that performance has to match up with all my existing data on traditional bullets performance which are sub 1/4 MOA. </p><p></p><p>Thanks for following along thus far guys. This has been a fun one. </p><p></p><p>----------- </p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/primalrights" target="_blank">Follow on Instagram</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/primalrights" target="_blank">Subscribe on YouTube</a></p><p><a href="https://amzn.to/3txlBnp" target="_blank">Amazon Affiliate</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.primalrights.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://primalrights.com/images/signatures/sig1.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="orkan, post: 2636497, member: 25377"] So I went out with my lovely wife and shot 220 pdogs today. Didn't fire this rifle once. lol We were having too much fun walking around with the .17's. I did have some time to reflect on things though. This thread has been great. It's important that people see that not everything works for me. You guys tend to only see the victories... but there are many instances where things just do not work out the way I planned. My plan was to get Hammers shooting 1/4 moa or better, and then shoot out the barrel with them to see when they opened up to 1/2+... which is where I take barrels off typically. Turns out I can't get this barrel to get along with either of the hammers tried. This is not a reflection of Hammer bullets, and that's important for the less experienced folks to understand. This is one barrel, and what I was attempting is against all advice I would give any handloader. You don't always get to decide your bullet. It's nice when it works out, and with modern rifles and components... it can work out a lot. It didn't always. Point in fact, it usually didn't. A guy had to work hard to find something the rifle liked. So the 52HH's and 70HH's don't like this barrel. That's all the conclusions that can be drawn at this point regarding accuracy and precision. I have a small bit of pro's and con's I can share up to this point. [B]Pro's - [/B] [LIST=1] [*]Hammer as a company has been great to deal with. Super friendly guys there, and they obviously care a lot about their product. I so badly wanted this to work out, simply for the fact that they have been so nice to talk to. [*]Hammer bullets do not foul the bore like traditional jacketed bullets. I was inspecting the bore constantly during the 500+rnds of testing... and these things left the bore more fouling free than [B][I]any other bullet I've ever tested.[/I][/B] This is a big deal folks, especially for factory rifle shooters out there. When I say they don't foul... I mean several hundred Hammers results in the same fouling I'd see from 30 traditional bullets. It's actually crazy. [*]Speed. Greasy fast lightning speed abounds! Man alive these things can be pushed fast. Faster than any traditional bullet for certain. In this 22 creed, an extra 100fps was easy to grab. More if I really leaned into it. [*]Consistency. The bullets were pretty consistent. Measured, weighed, seated... they just seemed to be consistent across the board. Solids tend to have that advantage over traditional bullets. [*]Forgiveness. While I wasn't able to get them performing to my accuracy/precision standard... they were a pretty forgiving couple bullets as long as I wasn't trying for sub-1/2 MOA. [B]I truly believe a blind monkey with one arm could load these things to 1/2 to 5/8'ish MOA. [/B] [/LIST] [B]Con's - [/B] [LIST=1] [*]They just wouldn't shoot small for me. [*]Oil. The oil in the tips and oil on the exterior of the bullet created problems during seating, which undoubtedly showed up during flight. This will soon be remedied, as they are getting some equipment which will eliminate the problem. For now, it would pay for guys to centrifugally spin the oil out of the tips and use some alcohol and towel them off good before loading. [/LIST] [B]The plan from here:[/B] I have another 22 creed in an 8 twist, and another in a 7 twist. I'm going to try these 70HH's in both of them to see if there's anything worth looking at there. I also have a 22-250, two 22BRA's, a .223AI, and a few other .22cals I can try these things in. I'll update this thread if I discover anything worthwhile during that process. In the past, all solids I've tested have required a faster twist to behave right. These 70HH's are suppose to run fine in an 8 twist... but I have a sneaking suspicion they might perform better in a 7 or 6.5. The 52's were certainly spun good in this 8 twist, but there I was dealing with a massive freebore problem. Couldn't even attempt to hit the lands. I've got 80 thousandths, 100 thousandths, and 125 thousandths chambers at my disposal. So I intend to test the twist and freebore theories a bit. I'm also going to try to get ahold of Hammer tomorrow to see if there's anything they think I'm missing. As for this rifle, I think I can say it just won't play nice with the Hammers. Not as nice as I want in order to learn anything. If 3/4 MOA was my standard, it would probably take 3000 rounds or more to "burn out" this barrel with these bullets. I'm just not thinking there will be a lot to learn from something like that however. I need to have them running tight in order to see where they start shooting poorly, and that performance has to match up with all my existing data on traditional bullets performance which are sub 1/4 MOA. Thanks for following along thus far guys. This has been a fun one. ----------- [URL='https://www.instagram.com/primalrights']Follow on Instagram[/URL] [URL='https://www.youtube.com/user/primalrights']Subscribe on YouTube[/URL] [URL='https://amzn.to/3txlBnp']Amazon Affiliate[/URL] [URL='http://www.primalrights.com'][IMG]http://primalrights.com/images/signatures/sig1.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [/QUOTE]
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