Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
Articles
Latest reviews
Author list
Classifieds
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles and first posts only
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Forums
Hunting
The Basics, Starting Out
Group Size and MOA
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Dave King" data-source="post: 56012" data-attributes="member: 3"><p>Mewbie_71</p><p></p><p> I can see your point and it's about the first time I've ever seen it stated on any forum in such a short and concise manner.</p><p></p><p> Accuracy and precision are for me a paired set and if one has great precision and little accuracy there could be a giant problem.</p><p></p><p> I believe that the desire we have for precision is good, it in a way gives us the percentage you mention. I know my rifles will group .5 MOA and with me shooting them they'll still group 1 MOA (precision). As I add variables my accuracy decreases faster than my precision, the most significant variables being wind and mirage. I believe my standard field capable accuracy is 1 MOA (plus or minus 1 MOA from Point Of Aim to Point Of Impact, a 2 MOA group of sorts) at the distances I hunt.</p><p></p><p> In the real world I believe your scenario of the 11 shots to 1 MOA and the 12th to 12 inches is more an accuracy issue than precision... I can and do call shots bad on occassion... these are accuracy issues ("do overs" or invisible shots while at the range).</p><p></p><p> The 12 shots to 11 inches (scattergun pattern) is an unknown, either bad precision, bad accuracy or both. At this point a second (competent) shooter would be required so sort the mess out.</p><p></p><p> Over time many of us have established our own personal percentages. We are often comfortable with them and have confidence that we can continue to maintian the percentage... Confidence is what I call it.</p><p></p><p></p><p> One thing that amazes me while I bantering about precision and accuracy is the issue of having a .5 MOA rifle and then sighting it 2 inches high at 100 yards and leaving it there. Precision is there but accuracy is nearly completely dismissed, the paired set is now broken, a shame of sorts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dave King, post: 56012, member: 3"] Mewbie_71 I can see your point and it's about the first time I've ever seen it stated on any forum in such a short and concise manner. Accuracy and precision are for me a paired set and if one has great precision and little accuracy there could be a giant problem. I believe that the desire we have for precision is good, it in a way gives us the percentage you mention. I know my rifles will group .5 MOA and with me shooting them they'll still group 1 MOA (precision). As I add variables my accuracy decreases faster than my precision, the most significant variables being wind and mirage. I believe my standard field capable accuracy is 1 MOA (plus or minus 1 MOA from Point Of Aim to Point Of Impact, a 2 MOA group of sorts) at the distances I hunt. In the real world I believe your scenario of the 11 shots to 1 MOA and the 12th to 12 inches is more an accuracy issue than precision... I can and do call shots bad on occassion... these are accuracy issues ("do overs" or invisible shots while at the range). The 12 shots to 11 inches (scattergun pattern) is an unknown, either bad precision, bad accuracy or both. At this point a second (competent) shooter would be required so sort the mess out. Over time many of us have established our own personal percentages. We are often comfortable with them and have confidence that we can continue to maintian the percentage... Confidence is what I call it. One thing that amazes me while I bantering about precision and accuracy is the issue of having a .5 MOA rifle and then sighting it 2 inches high at 100 yards and leaving it there. Precision is there but accuracy is nearly completely dismissed, the paired set is now broken, a shame of sorts. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Hunting
The Basics, Starting Out
Group Size and MOA
Top