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<blockquote data-quote="Mysticplayer" data-source="post: 17014" data-attributes="member: 8947"><p>My recent hunting may be helpful with the low light question. Was set up for a mule deer overlooking a clear cut 300 to 450yds away. Got set up in the pitch black waiting for the sun to come up.</p><p></p><p>At first glimmer of light on the horizon, I started glassing with my new Nikon Monarch 8X42. I could not see anything with unaided eyes but with the nikons I could make out moving objects. With a few more minutes of light, I could see them as deer and make out the 3X3 I eventually took home. Still was too dark for me to make out any object unaided.</p><p></p><p>Got my Gibbs ready to shoot and peered into the grey with my B&L 4000 set at 12X. There was the buck. Cranked up the mag to 20X and got ready for a broadside shot. At this time, I could make out the shapes as deer at 330yds unaided. Took the shot, watched the deer stumble, took another and got out the knife.</p><p></p><p>Both of these Japanese optics allowed me to see deer in light too dim for the unaided eye (about 10 to 15 min of additional light). I would certainly recommend these to anyone looking for low light optics.</p><p></p><p>The Japanese have made great strides in the coatings arena which really is what separates good from great. I think you will find that most of Leupold line has multicoated lenses, not "FULLY" multicoated ones. There is a substantial difference of about 15% of light transmission. Only their top of the line products are fully multicoated. However, for the money, almost all better Japanese brands (Bushnell/B&L, Nikon, and Pentax/Burris) give the same/higher level of coatings for much less money. Nikon is certainly moving quickly to the front of the pack.</p><p></p><p>Going to super big objective lenses is not necessarily better if the lenses are not coated properly. My B&L are 40mm. Also, the 1" tube would limit light travel. You may need to look at 30 to 34mm tubes to really get the most from the big objectives. Make sure the internal glass are sized as big, not 1" stuff in a big tube.</p><p></p><p>Another option is to look at European scopes designed for use at night. They are extremely pricey but should work.</p><p></p><p>Also, almost all lenses for optical gear is manufactured somewhere in Asia, even for some "made in the USA" products. The Nikons binos that I am in love with were made in China.</p><p></p><p>Go figure...</p><p></p><p>Jerry</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mysticplayer, post: 17014, member: 8947"] My recent hunting may be helpful with the low light question. Was set up for a mule deer overlooking a clear cut 300 to 450yds away. Got set up in the pitch black waiting for the sun to come up. At first glimmer of light on the horizon, I started glassing with my new Nikon Monarch 8X42. I could not see anything with unaided eyes but with the nikons I could make out moving objects. With a few more minutes of light, I could see them as deer and make out the 3X3 I eventually took home. Still was too dark for me to make out any object unaided. Got my Gibbs ready to shoot and peered into the grey with my B&L 4000 set at 12X. There was the buck. Cranked up the mag to 20X and got ready for a broadside shot. At this time, I could make out the shapes as deer at 330yds unaided. Took the shot, watched the deer stumble, took another and got out the knife. Both of these Japanese optics allowed me to see deer in light too dim for the unaided eye (about 10 to 15 min of additional light). I would certainly recommend these to anyone looking for low light optics. The Japanese have made great strides in the coatings arena which really is what separates good from great. I think you will find that most of Leupold line has multicoated lenses, not "FULLY" multicoated ones. There is a substantial difference of about 15% of light transmission. Only their top of the line products are fully multicoated. However, for the money, almost all better Japanese brands (Bushnell/B&L, Nikon, and Pentax/Burris) give the same/higher level of coatings for much less money. Nikon is certainly moving quickly to the front of the pack. Going to super big objective lenses is not necessarily better if the lenses are not coated properly. My B&L are 40mm. Also, the 1" tube would limit light travel. You may need to look at 30 to 34mm tubes to really get the most from the big objectives. Make sure the internal glass are sized as big, not 1" stuff in a big tube. Another option is to look at European scopes designed for use at night. They are extremely pricey but should work. Also, almost all lenses for optical gear is manufactured somewhere in Asia, even for some "made in the USA" products. The Nikons binos that I am in love with were made in China. Go figure... Jerry [/QUOTE]
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