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<blockquote data-quote="fordy" data-source="post: 2651091" data-attributes="member: 120504"><p>Gday</p><p></p><p>I haven't used the 199 hh so I can't personally comment on that pill & only broadly due to this ( yep I like to break even hammers down )</p><p>The Berger I've used a lot of them & it is a very good pill especially if you stay off bone Imo & I like them in bigger critters like samba ( not to big though that have higher resistance ) not so much the smaller deer & goats , chamois & lesser extent tahr & others</p><p></p><p>Now I have mates who still use the 215 with good results ( their stockpiles are slowly dwindling & why I asked sometime back on another thread if still needed to open / clear the hp & passed on information to them thanks ) but here is where some have a different idea of preformance to others which is cool</p><p></p><p>So here we go <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😱" title="Face screaming in fear :scream:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" data-shortname=":scream:" /></p><p></p><p>I just don't consider a dead critter as a pill that works well but ea to their own & I say this not trying to ramp things up just trying to put forward how I look @ things & are different from what I've seen some on here post & my mates with the utmost respect i say this</p><p></p><p>I put up the following not to try & argue it's just my perspective on what I look for in a pill , it's just what I've found to be the most consistent performer time after time over many species that the chances of a lost critter or extended runs from the norm & im going to interpret a bit from the gel test that corresponds as what I've seen in the field but gel to me is a reference as to many variables in a critter that gel or any other test media I've seen / used just dosent show consistency ( yeah gel not consistent yes I'll stand by that %100 & sep back to understand that please )</p><p></p><p>The hammer was consistent with opening @ high & low velocities & I've pretty well found that in critters I can get about 2 in of difference in opening depending on the resistance ( within a pill not hammers overall ) & or the velocity impact which is extremely good measuring against other brands</p><p></p><p>the bergers depending on resistance & impact it can vary upto 10 inches before they open ( if they open ) & where you can have trouble is the penciling of the pill now this is most time not through the whole animal but front lungs have remained fairly intact on occasions ( I'm keeping hard angles out ) & then the burger does what it does best cause a really good wound channel & you can usually fit your fist in some of these exits & I've thought how can a animal run with that exit hole & amount of damage many a time but they do as critters tend to defy our thoughts so many times ( kinda worked it out these days I think. )</p><p></p><p>( I'm leaving out the keep off bone with Berger )</p><p></p><p>where I come from is I won't consistent results on critters across various angles & resistances & a Berger has showed me less than ideal results under some of these & spectacular on others but consistency will get you the critter not one that's erratic or keep of bone in my world</p><p></p><p>What I do like about this is we are comparing 2 hp design to one another & one to me is why I stopped using Berger & reverted to my old amax stash as that brand offered me more reliability on where the pill opened in the critter & that to me is the most important factor & one I like the look of the gel tests as put that wound channel in critters @ different angles & I know what one I would take</p><p></p><p>Today I've found the hammers to be the most consistent out of any pill brand .</p><p>eventually I will get to see this 199 hh in action & one I'm looking forward to it as this pill looks real good in gel & critters thanks Steve & others for posting information on it</p><p></p><p></p><p>I wonder what everyone would pick if we didn't know what pill was what & just looked @ the gel tests</p><p>Hmm to me that would be a good test lol</p><p></p><p>No offence intended to anyone & Jm2cw</p><p>Cheers</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fordy, post: 2651091, member: 120504"] Gday I haven’t used the 199 hh so I can’t personally comment on that pill & only broadly due to this ( yep I like to break even hammers down ) The Berger I’ve used a lot of them & it is a very good pill especially if you stay off bone Imo & I like them in bigger critters like samba ( not to big though that have higher resistance ) not so much the smaller deer & goats , chamois & lesser extent tahr & others Now I have mates who still use the 215 with good results ( their stockpiles are slowly dwindling & why I asked sometime back on another thread if still needed to open / clear the hp & passed on information to them thanks ) but here is where some have a different idea of preformance to others which is cool So here we go 😱 I just don’t consider a dead critter as a pill that works well but ea to their own & I say this not trying to ramp things up just trying to put forward how I look @ things & are different from what I’ve seen some on here post & my mates with the utmost respect i say this I put up the following not to try & argue it’s just my perspective on what I look for in a pill , it’s just what I’ve found to be the most consistent performer time after time over many species that the chances of a lost critter or extended runs from the norm & im going to interpret a bit from the gel test that corresponds as what I’ve seen in the field but gel to me is a reference as to many variables in a critter that gel or any other test media I’ve seen / used just dosent show consistency ( yeah gel not consistent yes I’ll stand by that %100 & sep back to understand that please ) The hammer was consistent with opening @ high & low velocities & I’ve pretty well found that in critters I can get about 2 in of difference in opening depending on the resistance ( within a pill not hammers overall ) & or the velocity impact which is extremely good measuring against other brands the bergers depending on resistance & impact it can vary upto 10 inches before they open ( if they open ) & where you can have trouble is the penciling of the pill now this is most time not through the whole animal but front lungs have remained fairly intact on occasions ( I’m keeping hard angles out ) & then the burger does what it does best cause a really good wound channel & you can usually fit your fist in some of these exits & I’ve thought how can a animal run with that exit hole & amount of damage many a time but they do as critters tend to defy our thoughts so many times ( kinda worked it out these days I think. ) ( I’m leaving out the keep off bone with Berger ) where I come from is I won’t consistent results on critters across various angles & resistances & a Berger has showed me less than ideal results under some of these & spectacular on others but consistency will get you the critter not one that’s erratic or keep of bone in my world What I do like about this is we are comparing 2 hp design to one another & one to me is why I stopped using Berger & reverted to my old amax stash as that brand offered me more reliability on where the pill opened in the critter & that to me is the most important factor & one I like the look of the gel tests as put that wound channel in critters @ different angles & I know what one I would take Today I’ve found the hammers to be the most consistent out of any pill brand . eventually I will get to see this 199 hh in action & one I’m looking forward to it as this pill looks real good in gel & critters thanks Steve & others for posting information on it I wonder what everyone would pick if we didn’t know what pill was what & just looked @ the gel tests Hmm to me that would be a good test lol No offence intended to anyone & Jm2cw Cheers [/QUOTE]
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