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Full Length or Neck Only; What's Best Resizing for Accuracy?
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<blockquote data-quote="LDHunter" data-source="post: 1846858" data-attributes="member: 105"><p>GAK!!! You just upset a lot of handloading generally accepted knowledge with that one! LOL</p><p></p><p>A 30-30 headspacing off the case rim? No jamming into lands? I'm waiting for the non believers to come up with some spin on this one.</p><p></p><p>I've known quite a few people that spent a small fortune on special handloading equipment and many many tedious hours to proudly walk down range to view their "tiny groups" only to notice that the guy next to them with a factory rifle and sloppily neck sized ammo had smaller groups.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying that careful handloading isn't valid but I just can't ignore my two factory 308 Remington PSS rifles (bedded with custom triggers) that both shoot ridiculously tiny groups with Federal GMM 168MK factory ammo. It all just flies in the face of reason. Some of the very best groups I've ever seen were made with rifles set up by people that really knew their stuff and ammo that had NEVER been neck turned or trimmed or or or.... any of that fancy stuff.</p><p></p><p>If I were competing in target shooting I'd certainly be investing in that equipment and doing all that stuff and like JE Custom says if I were counting on sub 1/4 MOA accuracy every single shot then I'd likely be doing all that tedious case prep but I'm not and it's hard to ignore that 30-30 shooting one hole groups or some of the stuff I see at my local range.</p><p></p><p>My take in over 50 years of shooting is that the rifle is waaaaaaaay more important than the ammo and that average handloads or exceptional factory ammo in a rifle that might even be just a bedded factory rifle with a good trigger or a good custom rifle will come dang close to that 1/4 MOA reliable grouping.</p><p></p><p>That seems to be the magic number. Reliable sub 1/4 MOA requires way more patience than I'll ever have. LOL</p><p></p><p>So.... There you have it. I never bought into so many of the things that many handloaders agonize over as being all that important unless the rifle is properly set up and few rifles are. With modern CNC machining like some of the custom shops have invested in they can now turn out rifles capable of groups that defy imagination.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LDHunter, post: 1846858, member: 105"] GAK!!! You just upset a lot of handloading generally accepted knowledge with that one! LOL A 30-30 headspacing off the case rim? No jamming into lands? I'm waiting for the non believers to come up with some spin on this one. I've known quite a few people that spent a small fortune on special handloading equipment and many many tedious hours to proudly walk down range to view their "tiny groups" only to notice that the guy next to them with a factory rifle and sloppily neck sized ammo had smaller groups. I'm not saying that careful handloading isn't valid but I just can't ignore my two factory 308 Remington PSS rifles (bedded with custom triggers) that both shoot ridiculously tiny groups with Federal GMM 168MK factory ammo. It all just flies in the face of reason. Some of the very best groups I've ever seen were made with rifles set up by people that really knew their stuff and ammo that had NEVER been neck turned or trimmed or or or.... any of that fancy stuff. If I were competing in target shooting I'd certainly be investing in that equipment and doing all that stuff and like JE Custom says if I were counting on sub 1/4 MOA accuracy every single shot then I'd likely be doing all that tedious case prep but I'm not and it's hard to ignore that 30-30 shooting one hole groups or some of the stuff I see at my local range. My take in over 50 years of shooting is that the rifle is waaaaaaaay more important than the ammo and that average handloads or exceptional factory ammo in a rifle that might even be just a bedded factory rifle with a good trigger or a good custom rifle will come dang close to that 1/4 MOA reliable grouping. That seems to be the magic number. Reliable sub 1/4 MOA requires way more patience than I'll ever have. LOL So.... There you have it. I never bought into so many of the things that many handloaders agonize over as being all that important unless the rifle is properly set up and few rifles are. With modern CNC machining like some of the custom shops have invested in they can now turn out rifles capable of groups that defy imagination. [/QUOTE]
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