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<blockquote data-quote="yobuck" data-source="post: 1713284" data-attributes="member: 12443"><p>Well in fairness to the guy, he is probably making his chart based on certain lines or marks on his reticle. So by looking at the chart he has on the stock, he knows what a line in his scope represents as for distance for (his gun). He of coarse needs to shoot a lot in order to find all that out, but once it's known, it's known, and it want change unless he changes his load.</p><p>Picture if you can that prior to the 80s this entire conversation wouldn't even be taking place. And the reason for that is that most of these favorite scopes were now discussing didn't even exist, including the big names.</p><p>The names like Leupold and others who did exist at that</p><p>time, didn't have the ability to be dialed. The decade of the 80s saw all that slowly change. Leupold for example offered scopes that could be dialed during that era. But interest in hunting long range and introduction of many of the various scopes we see today, didn't really take place till Algore created the internet. </p><p>I joke, but I'm also serious, as that's when the L/R train left the station, and soon many vendors were and still are clamoring for a seat.</p><p>So what did average Joe long range hunter do for scopes (before) that world finally came of age with scopes that could be dialed and argued over?</p><p>Well many of the even then many L/R hunters, used target scopes like Unertle and a few others of similar design that could be dialed. In fact if you go into the deepest hollows of the area i hunt, you might just find a few who still do.</p><p>But there were also a few people who had perfected ways of creating reticles for scopes that were accurate to very long distances without dialing.</p><p>One such guy was Dick Thomas, who owned a company called </p><p>Premier Reticles in WV, later moved to Winchester VA.</p><p>He made a reticle of multiple dots, placed at the proper distance apart based on the cartridge and the load.</p><p>So in effect, it works the same as what KS2506 is doing.</p><p>The most successful L/R hunter I've known as for kill numbers,</p><p>Is a guy by name of Larry Smith, of York PA.</p><p>He used a Rem 700 in 7 Mag, i doubt he ever killed many deer much past 600 yds and never dialed a scope.</p><p>Now in his 90s he no longer hunts.</p><p>He introduced me to Dick Thomas in the early 70s, and i have his reticles in several of my scopes my scopes that i still use.</p><p>Ive killed one PA black bear in my more than 70 years of hunting, and that was at 700 yds with a first round hit without dialing, using a 3.5x10 Leupold on 10 power with one of Dick Thomases reticles. And lord willing I wouldn't hesitate trying it again with the same scope.</p><p>Know your gun and it and your own limits, and none of the rest matters very much.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="yobuck, post: 1713284, member: 12443"] Well in fairness to the guy, he is probably making his chart based on certain lines or marks on his reticle. So by looking at the chart he has on the stock, he knows what a line in his scope represents as for distance for (his gun). He of coarse needs to shoot a lot in order to find all that out, but once it’s known, it’s known, and it want change unless he changes his load. Picture if you can that prior to the 80s this entire conversation wouldn’t even be taking place. And the reason for that is that most of these favorite scopes were now discussing didn’t even exist, including the big names. The names like Leupold and others who did exist at that time, didn’t have the ability to be dialed. The decade of the 80s saw all that slowly change. Leupold for example offered scopes that could be dialed during that era. But interest in hunting long range and introduction of many of the various scopes we see today, didn’t really take place till Algore created the internet. I joke, but I’m also serious, as that’s when the L/R train left the station, and soon many vendors were and still are clamoring for a seat. So what did average Joe long range hunter do for scopes (before) that world finally came of age with scopes that could be dialed and argued over? Well many of the even then many L/R hunters, used target scopes like Unertle and a few others of similar design that could be dialed. In fact if you go into the deepest hollows of the area i hunt, you might just find a few who still do. But there were also a few people who had perfected ways of creating reticles for scopes that were accurate to very long distances without dialing. One such guy was Dick Thomas, who owned a company called Premier Reticles in WV, later moved to Winchester VA. He made a reticle of multiple dots, placed at the proper distance apart based on the cartridge and the load. So in effect, it works the same as what KS2506 is doing. The most successful L/R hunter I’ve known as for kill numbers, Is a guy by name of Larry Smith, of York PA. He used a Rem 700 in 7 Mag, i doubt he ever killed many deer much past 600 yds and never dialed a scope. Now in his 90s he no longer hunts. He introduced me to Dick Thomas in the early 70s, and i have his reticles in several of my scopes my scopes that i still use. Ive killed one PA black bear in my more than 70 years of hunting, and that was at 700 yds with a first round hit without dialing, using a 3.5x10 Leupold on 10 power with one of Dick Thomases reticles. And lord willing I wouldn’t hesitate trying it again with the same scope. Know your gun and it and your own limits, and none of the rest matters very much. [/QUOTE]
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