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First or second focal plane?
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<blockquote data-quote="NEMTHunter" data-source="post: 1593896" data-attributes="member: 77631"><p>Again as post two says. The only advantage a FFP has over the SFP is if you use the reticle for holdover on your shots and you do not have the time to place the power ring were it needs to be. And let be honest. It only take a second or two to do that. So for hunting. If you have time to range and figure in the wind speed and run it through the ballistic calculator. Then you have time to set your power ring where it needs to be. </p><p></p><p>Now in certain completions FFP has the advantage as stated above. If you know your hold overs you can just go according. Just hold up regardless of your power and shoot.</p><p></p><p></p><p>AS for low light. Low light is just that low light. Black is no light. Moon light is low light. And yes a FFP is defiantly at a disadvantage in that situation. I spot light for coyotes and even makes shots just by the moon light. A lighted reticle will help the FFP do ok in that position. BUT on low power the FFP gets so small even shooting into dark timber you cant use it without turning the zoom up. And that depending on how far you are can be a problem.</p><p></p><p>Some People like them both the FFP and SFP. Some like just the one kind. Some only use the FFP for competition shooting and run the SFP for hunting. Some use FFP for it all. Some use SFP for it all. Does that make the one guy right and the other wrong? NO its just happens to be right for how that given person like it.</p><p></p><p>I just happen to prefer SFP over FFP. And some of the reasons are given above.</p><p></p><p>I did not bring up the ELR side of shooting. And that again is where the SFP shines. The OPs question was short range hence I did not bring it up. With a SFP you can extended your range by 15 to 30 MOA (and more) just buy changing the power of the zoom depending on the reticle. When you are trying to shoot as far as you can this does help. Another thing is the reticle is better matched for the target on higher power so you have a finer aim point.</p><p></p><p>As a side note one of my SFP scopes on 28x only takes up 1.047 inches of the target @ 1600 yards. Thats a fine aiming point. Some SFP scopes take up 1.047 inches @ 1745 yards. In ELR shooting the SFP is the best reticle. </p><p></p><p>They both have there place and usefulness. Pick the one you like and prefer and you will be happy. Try them both and use them both. Get the one you like and it will better serve you. It gets no more simple then that. I am not one of those guys that says it NEEDS to be FFP&Mils or SFP&mils or FFP&MOA or SFP&MOA. And tell others that what they NEED. Those that say that or short sighted even to blindness. Get what best serves YOU the shooter.</p><p></p><p>To the OP ( and anyone reading) if you take anything out of this post, look hard at the last paragraph above this one. Truly only YOU can answer the question. Why? This debate can and is the same as Ford vs Dodge (ram) vs GMC or chevy. When they ALL will get the job done. One just might be more what you the shooter are looking for. I do not think the deer or target care what focal plane your scope is. Only YOU will be the one that cares, because you will be the one using it. Sorry if that got long winded.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NEMTHunter, post: 1593896, member: 77631"] Again as post two says. The only advantage a FFP has over the SFP is if you use the reticle for holdover on your shots and you do not have the time to place the power ring were it needs to be. And let be honest. It only take a second or two to do that. So for hunting. If you have time to range and figure in the wind speed and run it through the ballistic calculator. Then you have time to set your power ring where it needs to be. Now in certain completions FFP has the advantage as stated above. If you know your hold overs you can just go according. Just hold up regardless of your power and shoot. AS for low light. Low light is just that low light. Black is no light. Moon light is low light. And yes a FFP is defiantly at a disadvantage in that situation. I spot light for coyotes and even makes shots just by the moon light. A lighted reticle will help the FFP do ok in that position. BUT on low power the FFP gets so small even shooting into dark timber you cant use it without turning the zoom up. And that depending on how far you are can be a problem. Some People like them both the FFP and SFP. Some like just the one kind. Some only use the FFP for competition shooting and run the SFP for hunting. Some use FFP for it all. Some use SFP for it all. Does that make the one guy right and the other wrong? NO its just happens to be right for how that given person like it. I just happen to prefer SFP over FFP. And some of the reasons are given above. I did not bring up the ELR side of shooting. And that again is where the SFP shines. The OPs question was short range hence I did not bring it up. With a SFP you can extended your range by 15 to 30 MOA (and more) just buy changing the power of the zoom depending on the reticle. When you are trying to shoot as far as you can this does help. Another thing is the reticle is better matched for the target on higher power so you have a finer aim point. As a side note one of my SFP scopes on 28x only takes up 1.047 inches of the target @ 1600 yards. Thats a fine aiming point. Some SFP scopes take up 1.047 inches @ 1745 yards. In ELR shooting the SFP is the best reticle. They both have there place and usefulness. Pick the one you like and prefer and you will be happy. Try them both and use them both. Get the one you like and it will better serve you. It gets no more simple then that. I am not one of those guys that says it NEEDS to be FFP&Mils or SFP&mils or FFP&MOA or SFP&MOA. And tell others that what they NEED. Those that say that or short sighted even to blindness. Get what best serves YOU the shooter. To the OP ( and anyone reading) if you take anything out of this post, look hard at the last paragraph above this one. Truly only YOU can answer the question. Why? This debate can and is the same as Ford vs Dodge (ram) vs GMC or chevy. When they ALL will get the job done. One just might be more what you the shooter are looking for. I do not think the deer or target care what focal plane your scope is. Only YOU will be the one that cares, because you will be the one using it. Sorry if that got long winded. [/QUOTE]
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