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First long range rifle: Savage?
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<blockquote data-quote="westcliffe01" data-source="post: 824041" data-attributes="member: 35183"><p>The Savage 10/110 is a better decision than a model 11/111. Some of the Long Range Hunter rifles have been sold as model 11's with the plastic magazine and more quality issues than I would expect from Savage. So based on my model 10 and 12 experience, either of those models or the long action equivalent (110) are good to go. Better stocks, steel magazine and bottom metal.</p><p></p><p>My model 10 in 223 is a 1/2 minute shooter. My model 12 was limited by the barrel twist rate, so I got it a Shilen prefit and I recently added a 308 which was based on a model 10 and it too has a Shilen match barrel with which I shot my first ever 1/4" group.</p><p></p><p>If you get a Savage, the future is open in terms of re-barreling with really modest cost. By comparison, doing anything with a Remington is expensive.</p><p></p><p>The only downside with the savage is that you cannot get all the really great aftermarket triggers and the feel of the action when you work the bolt will never be comparable. I find my accutriggers to be pretty good and you do have the option of upgrading to a target accutrigger. But they are no Shilen or Timney trigger. I have found all my rifle based actions to be fine, but my 20ga rifle barreled slug gun the people at Savage thought it appropriate to bead blast the entire action and bolt, including all the working surfaces.... I had to do a lot of polishing to that bolt to even have a remote possibility of rapidly reloading after a shot... Hopefully the clamoring from customers was sufficiently loud that Savage has discontinued that behavior. The assembly folks also left out my ejector in the same rifle... I can't explain why there had to be such an issue on a shotgun when the rifles were all just fine ? new employees hired off the street ?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="westcliffe01, post: 824041, member: 35183"] The Savage 10/110 is a better decision than a model 11/111. Some of the Long Range Hunter rifles have been sold as model 11's with the plastic magazine and more quality issues than I would expect from Savage. So based on my model 10 and 12 experience, either of those models or the long action equivalent (110) are good to go. Better stocks, steel magazine and bottom metal. My model 10 in 223 is a 1/2 minute shooter. My model 12 was limited by the barrel twist rate, so I got it a Shilen prefit and I recently added a 308 which was based on a model 10 and it too has a Shilen match barrel with which I shot my first ever 1/4" group. If you get a Savage, the future is open in terms of re-barreling with really modest cost. By comparison, doing anything with a Remington is expensive. The only downside with the savage is that you cannot get all the really great aftermarket triggers and the feel of the action when you work the bolt will never be comparable. I find my accutriggers to be pretty good and you do have the option of upgrading to a target accutrigger. But they are no Shilen or Timney trigger. I have found all my rifle based actions to be fine, but my 20ga rifle barreled slug gun the people at Savage thought it appropriate to bead blast the entire action and bolt, including all the working surfaces.... I had to do a lot of polishing to that bolt to even have a remote possibility of rapidly reloading after a shot... Hopefully the clamoring from customers was sufficiently loud that Savage has discontinued that behavior. The assembly folks also left out my ejector in the same rifle... I can't explain why there had to be such an issue on a shotgun when the rifles were all just fine ? new employees hired off the street ? [/QUOTE]
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