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First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane
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<blockquote data-quote="orkan" data-source="post: 773866" data-attributes="member: 25377"><p>Not anything. Many things. I thought we were talking about long distance here? </p><p></p><p>I think the true answer lies with neither, but with DFP. </p><p></p><p> Yes, that does take the sting off it. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> The former indicates that only the inexperienced enjoy the feature. </p><p> </p><p> Agreed. </p><p></p><p> Only if you crank it down to <u><em>exactly</em></u> half magnification. Well how do you know where that is? The printed numbers? Ever test a few scopes to see whether that half magnification actually lines up with the printed scale? Not many do. Even when corrected, the human error in getting them lined up perfectly is enough to ruin the shot. With FFP, all holds are constant, regardless of power. You literally <u>don't have to care</u> what magnification you are on. You dial the power ring to where you have the best, most workable sight picture. </p><p></p><p> <strong>While academically correct</strong>, is this ever a benefit in the field? On my GenIIXR reticle I have 10 mils of hold over. I dial my elevation, so I would never use it anyway. I dial my nearest half mil value for wind. So If I'm looking at a 1.7 mil call... I'll dial 1.5 and hold the rest. I'm a live wind shooter though, so I hold the wind to match the condition. I don't hold the shot to match the condition. Never have I ever needed to "double" my hold. I simply use the reticle, in its correct subtension, to hold the exact amount necessary. Give me a situation where you'd want to employ the "capability" you are describing. </p><p></p><p>Since I know we all like pictures... I dug up another. Below is a whitetail deer walking across the road at approx. <strong>3000 yards.</strong> (yes, three thousand yards) Looks like the FFP would be able to get it done to me. That would be an ELR shot if I've ever seen one. That stop sign is exactly 2 miles. I can EASILY quarter that deer with the reticle. The crosshair could be out in front because that's precisely where I calculated fo.... haha.. Just kidding. It's just really hard to track a moving deer at 3000yds while taking a picture through your scope! </p><p></p><p><img src="http://www.gregd.net/pics/guns/IMG_5260.JPG" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="orkan, post: 773866, member: 25377"] Not anything. Many things. I thought we were talking about long distance here? I think the true answer lies with neither, but with DFP. Yes, that does take the sting off it. :D The former indicates that only the inexperienced enjoy the feature. Agreed. Only if you crank it down to [U][I]exactly[/I][/U] half magnification. Well how do you know where that is? The printed numbers? Ever test a few scopes to see whether that half magnification actually lines up with the printed scale? Not many do. Even when corrected, the human error in getting them lined up perfectly is enough to ruin the shot. With FFP, all holds are constant, regardless of power. You literally [U]don't have to care[/U] what magnification you are on. You dial the power ring to where you have the best, most workable sight picture. [B]While academically correct[/B], is this ever a benefit in the field? On my GenIIXR reticle I have 10 mils of hold over. I dial my elevation, so I would never use it anyway. I dial my nearest half mil value for wind. So If I'm looking at a 1.7 mil call... I'll dial 1.5 and hold the rest. I'm a live wind shooter though, so I hold the wind to match the condition. I don't hold the shot to match the condition. Never have I ever needed to "double" my hold. I simply use the reticle, in its correct subtension, to hold the exact amount necessary. Give me a situation where you'd want to employ the "capability" you are describing. Since I know we all like pictures... I dug up another. Below is a whitetail deer walking across the road at approx. [B]3000 yards.[/B] (yes, three thousand yards) Looks like the FFP would be able to get it done to me. That would be an ELR shot if I've ever seen one. That stop sign is exactly 2 miles. I can EASILY quarter that deer with the reticle. The crosshair could be out in front because that's precisely where I calculated fo.... haha.. Just kidding. It's just really hard to track a moving deer at 3000yds while taking a picture through your scope! [IMG]http://www.gregd.net/pics/guns/IMG_5260.JPG[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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